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The Lighter Side / Re: Silly Names List
« on: Tuesday 27 September 05 16:04 BST (UK)  »
Philip said: One (very distant) ancestor, the Viscount Massereene no less, rejoiced in the name of Skeffington Clotworthy. He was imprisoned in the Bastille and serve him right!

I fail to see anything "silly" in any of the above-mentioned names. On the other hand, it is incorrect to suggest that the 2nd Earl of Massereene might have "rejoiced" in his name, because he never attempted to preserve any aspects of the family's illustrious and ancient heritage.

Hugh Clotworthy was a Devonshire man who went to Ireland in 1573 as a soldier. He leased a property named Massereene from the Lord-Deputy of Ireland, Sir Arthur Chichester. The so-called Massereene viscountcy was bestowed upon his son, Sir John Clotworthy, whose daughter Mary Clotworthy married Sir John Skeffington, descendant of a celebrated family from the village of that name in Leicestershire. Numerous descendants of John Skeffington and Mary Clotworthy received the mother's family name as a given name.

Clotworthy Skeffington [1742-1805], the eccentric 2nd Earl of Massereene, spent two decades in several Parisian prisons for debtors, but he was never imprisoned in the Bastille. Philip's confusion might stem from the fact that Massereene was the first Parisian to escape from a prison (the Hotel de la Force in the Marais) in the revolutionary turmoil, a day or so before the destruction of the nearby Bastille fortress.

The present head of the family, John Skeffington, received Clotworthy as one of his given names. Upon the death of his father in 1992, John Skeffington became the 14th Viscount Massereene, the 7th Viscount Ferrard and the 7th UK Baron of Oriel.

William Skyvington

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Census and Resource Discussion / Re: Incorrect Census transcriptions on Ancestry
« on: Tuesday 27 September 05 12:28 BST (UK)  »
Not long ago, in my final year of professional activities before retirement, I was offered a well-paid full-time job as a technical writer with an international electronics company in nearby Grenoble. After three days, I discovered that this company was getting its computer programming work done in a shoddy fashion by sending it to a firm in a developing nation. I was shocked (for reasons that I do not intend to explain here) by this so-called "offshore" approach, and I immediately resigned.

If I were to learn that such-and-such a genealogical company is making profits by hiring low-quality and low-priced workers in a developing nation to transcribe UK census data, I would be morally shocked (for reasons that I do not intend to explain here) and I would not use the services of such a company.

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The Common Room / Re: Approaches to publishing
« on: Thursday 15 September 05 22:03 BST (UK)  »
Thank you for the links, which I have examined. These posts scratch the surface of the vast domain I was trying to evoke.

People interested in my own approach to these questions might take a look at two of my websites, which deal respectively with my paternal and maternal genealogy:

http://gamone.free.fr/skeffington/

http://grafton.nsw.free.fr/mother/

William

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The Common Room / Approaches to publishing
« on: Thursday 15 September 05 17:23 BST (UK)  »
I'm using the term "publishing" in a broad sense: making public the results of genealogical research. I would be interested to hear what people have to say on this subject.

-- Are websites a good way to publish the results of family-history research? (How do you cater for readers who don't use computers?)

-- Are downloadable printable files a feasible solution? If so, what format?

-- Should research results include Gedcom files? How do you make them available?

-- How should graphic stuff (charts, photos, etc) be handled when publishing?

-- Should the researcher envisage a hybrid approach for the publication of his/her results, combining a mixture of websites, paper documents, computer disks, etc? It's a fact, for example, that the graphics you place in a website are generally technically different to images that you would print out on paper.

-- Where should genealogical publications be deposited ("for posterity", as they say)?

-- How should genealogical publications be publicized, so that other researchers and interested readers know what you're doing?

This is a big subject. Today, most family-history researchers would like to create something richer than a simple family tree drawn on a few sheets of paper. Technology enables us to envisage the creation, for our children and their descendants, of a family-history time-capsule that could incorporate several kinds of digital items, including multimedia stuff.

It would be good to put together (and publish!) a set of guidelines in this domain.

Final detail. Personally, I have a problem (maybe because I live in the wilderness in France) finding friends who are prepared to browse through stuff I've created, which I intend to publish, to tell me whether it contains faults, is hard to understand, could be improved, etc. In the same way that many kind folk offer to carry out lookups, maybe there are others who would be prepared to offer their assistance to researchers as readers.

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London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests / Re: 1891 census Skyvington/Mepham
« on: Saturday 10 September 05 00:49 BST (UK)  »
Hi Jonathan,

I'm amazed to hear of the existence of a will from my great-great-grandfather Frank Skyvington. I would be most grateful if you were to give me an idea of how I might acquire a copy of this document.

I believe I've run into the reference to the soldier whose name is identical to mine, but he's not a direct ancestor and I still have to figure out how we are linked.

So, I've got work to do. Thanks for your research.

Regards,
William

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London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests / Re: 1891 census Skyvington/Mepham
« on: Saturday 10 September 05 00:14 BST (UK)  »
Thanks, too, "Casalguidi". Your post arrived while I was typing my reply for Jonathan.

This topic can now be moved to the completed lookups.

I'm most grateful to everybody who has helped me.

William Skyvington

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London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests / Re: 1891 census Skyvington/Mepham
« on: Saturday 10 September 05 00:09 BST (UK)  »
You've succeeded in finding them, Jonathan! Thanks a lot. The street name should be Evershot, I believe, in the part of Hornsey called Finsbury Park. My future grandfather Ernest was born on 19 March 1891, a fortnight before the census (on the night of 5 April 1891), but his mother Eliza didn't register him until 27 April 1891... which explains why he was a non-entity, as it were, for the census-taker.

As a newcomer to computerized transcriptions of British census data (I belong to the old-fashioned generation who would go along to the local LDS center to read microfilms), I'm alarmed to discover so many spelling mistakes, some of which suggest that the human transcribers did not have an intuitive grasp of the names they encountered. For example, yesterday, a RootsChatter showed me a transcription in which the name of the Belgian capital was written as "Brussell", which is neither correct English, French nor Flemish.

Once again, many thanks. You have unearthed a totally new document for my family-history archives. Meanwhile, I really must think of systematically using wildcard characters!

William Skyvington

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London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests / Re: 1891 census Skyvington/Mepham
« on: Friday 09 September 05 21:18 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for trying to help me. Yes, I have the official records of the marriage of William Skyvington and Eliza Mepham in 1889, and of Eliza's premature death in 1899. I also have the birth certificate of their son Ernest (my grandfather) in 1891. But the big mystery has always been the fate of the father, William Skyvington. He seems to have simply disappeared at around the time of the 1891 census.

The people named Skevington in Islington would be very distant relatives, since the distinction between the spellings Skeffington, Skevington, Skiffington, Skivington and Skyvington (my personal surname) came into being long ago.

Once again, thanks.
William

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London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests / 1891 census Skyvington/Mepham
« on: Friday 09 September 05 20:03 BST (UK)  »
I would like to discover 1891 census data on

-- William Jones SKYVINGTON (born in 1868),

-- his wife Eliza Jane SKYVINGTON, née MEPHAM (born in 1865)

-- and their son Ernest William SKYVINGTON (born in March 1891).

I have four possible London addresses for William and/or his wife, who may not have been living together at the date of the census:

-- 65 Evershot Rd, Islington

-- 42 Mt Pleasant Rd, Hornsey (or Crouch Hill)

-- 36 Theobold's Rd, Holborn

-- 16 Marriott Rd, Islington

Is it possible that these places were considered, at the time of the 1891 census, as being located in Middlesex rather than in the county of London? (Please forgive me for being ignorant.)

There is a vague possibility that William might have spelt his name as SKIVINGTON. There is also a vague possibility that Eliza, although married to William SKYVINGTON in 1889, might have retained her maiden name, MEPHAM.

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