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Carmarthenshire Completed Requests / Putz Welsh census
« on: Monday 21 October 13 02:46 BST (UK)  »
Seek Albert Edgar Putz born 1872, lived Wales, any info on profession would be helpful.   Son killed by German UBoat 1942.  Thank you.  WendyW260

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Suffolk / Putz Hoxne, Suffolk
« on: Monday 21 October 13 02:40 BST (UK)  »
Seeking info on relationship between Mills - Huggins - Putz families in Hoxne, Suffolk.  These 3 families traveled between London and Hoxne for baptisms.  Various Putz found on census in Hoxne.  Various Huggins married Putz as did Mills.  Seek info on family of Edward Edgar Putz married to Anna, son Albert Edgar Putz.  Thanks in advance!  WendyW260

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London and Middlesex / Re: Putz Hackney
« on: Tuesday 15 October 13 03:09 BST (UK)  »
Thanks Louisa Maud.  Yes, I believe Emily Mills was born 1831.  Father George and mother Priscilla Huggins.  This fits Emily's naming of her first daughter called Priscilla.  Emily is the 9 year old in Framlingham on the 1841.  She is 19 on the 1851 a servant in St. Marylebone.  She marries Samuel Putz in 1852.  She is widowed 1877 and remarries Jobson.  Dies Stepney in 1931 at nearly 100. 
My understanding is farming was tough in Suffolk at that time.  Much migration to Canada and other places from 1800 - 1850's.  Poor law rates had gone up in Suffolk.  Corn prices were bad.  Unemployment heavy.  Wendy260


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London and Middlesex / Re: Putz Hackney
« on: Sunday 13 October 13 23:12 BST (UK)  »
Louisa Maud,
You are a good sport...its a mind bender to be sure.
I am not in Britain so can't visit the Suffolk records office. 

I didn't want to throw Harriet Mills in yet as it adds further head banging.  It shows the families are intertwined between Hoxne, Suffolk and London, however.

She says she's born in Hoxne in 1835 on the 1911 married to Frederick Huggins.

Was she Emily's sister?

Priscilla H. (Helen) Huggins married William H Putz.  She says she was born Suffolk on 1881, 1891,
 and 1901.  She'd gone from Suffolk to Marylebone. 

  Agree she could be the Priscilla Huggins on the 1861, age 6.  At home.
  Agree could be a servant in 1871, but not sure why she'd say Polegate.  Its nearby and they sometimes say various things to the census taker.  Don't put too much store by it.
  Then married 1875 Christ Church Marylebone to W. Putz.

Sometime in here Emily Mills also goes to London and marries Samuel Putz. 
Emily and Samuel name their own daughter, Priscilla born 1854.

Apologize in advance for any errors in this info.  I try to verify it but I'm working from a long way away so not familiar with all the areas.  Became aware of the complications of the lines.  It might take awhile to sort out.  Perhaps someone has it down and will chime in.  If not, I shall muddle.  Clearly, there are connections here.  No hurries! Wendy260.

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London and Middlesex / Re: Putz Hackney
« on: Sunday 13 October 13 19:40 BST (UK)  »
Hi Louisa Maud,
Thank you for Huggins assistance. 

Samuel and Emily had William Herbert Putz.  He married Priscilla Huggins on Nov 7, 1875 in Westminster.  Her father was Frederick Putz (the one you called out in bold).  Frederick's father was James Huggins and mother was Maria. 

Priscilla Helen Huggins was born 1854 in Hoxne.  It was a small place.

Samuel married Emily Mills, mother Priscilla Huggins born Hoxne.  Married George Mills Hoxne in 1830.  I believe she died in 1832 in Suffolk.  I do not have her parent's names.  Emily and Samuel probably named their own daughter Priscilla Putz after her mother. 

Its seems there was a bit of a migration from Hoxne to London and the families were related.  Confirming the parents of Priscilla (mother of Emily) would further establish the cousin link. 

With so many Priscilla's involved two heads are better than one in checking the facts.  Thanks again Wendy 260.

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London and Middlesex / Re: Putz Hackney
« on: Sunday 13 October 13 01:03 BST (UK)  »
Thank you so much Louisa Maud.  Yes you are right lots to work with here.  I appreciate it.  Will ping back any interesting finds.  Wendy260

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London and Middlesex / Re: Putz Hackney
« on: Saturday 12 October 13 04:34 BST (UK)  »
Janey,
Ok, guess the certif will help anwer this query.  There is a Florence Putt born abt 1879 London on the 1891 census with a mother Alice Putt.  Could not find a 1881 match.  Perhaps you can see what you think of that?  Strange she is not showing on two census with Ellen.  She was 6 years old for the 1881 and 16 for the 1891. 

Emily Putz lived on Albert St, Lambeth, for 1871 with the kids.  Three of the kids baptized with address 2 Albert cottages, Church St. in 1873.  Address for Florence at birth was 1 Ashmole Cottage, Kennington.  A map from that time shows Church St and Ashmole are on same block.  I'm not familiar with Lambeth/Kennington and it was a bit of a warren, but this is what the old map showed.  Which means, I think, they were all living within steps of each other.  Makes it look closer that Alice and Ellen are one in the same.  Either way, it looks like Florence made it as she married in 1895.  Thanks, Wendy 260.

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London and Middlesex / Re: Putz Hackney
« on: Saturday 12 October 13 00:53 BST (UK)  »
Janey & Louisa,
  Her full name was Florence Maud Louisa Putz.  Samuel (Jr's) wife was Ellen Mary Louisa Reed.  Unlikely another woman would name her daughter (other woman being "Alice") after Ellen. 

There was also Priscilla Louisa Putz, Sam's sister.  Florence could of been named after her even if the child of the unknown Alice.   I will look further as to who is the mother and resort to the certif if no light shed.  If the registrar had the name wrong, the certif won't help much. 

As to Priscilla Louisa Putz there is also a question.  Emily Putz was the daughter of George Mills and Priscilla Huggens (having named their daughter Priscilla after Emily's mother).  Born in Hoxne, Suffolk.  There was a James Huggins & wife Maria in Hoxne who had a son called Frederick Huggins.  His daughter was Priscilla Helen Huggens born Hoxne, Nov 10 1854 (4a 423).  She married William Herbert Putz on Nov 7 1875 (yes, the same year Florence was born and Samuel senior was interviewed by the Lambeth council).  I believe its possible he married his cousin.  Of course, that was common in those days and not a big deal.  Do you know the relationship of James Huggins and Priscilla Huggins (Emily's parent) in Hoxne?  Whew.  I sure hope I've got this right.

Now back to look for more on Florence and why she was not with Emily (Jobson) on the census...

Thanks for your input and clarifications!  Wendy260

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London and Middlesex / Re: Putz Hackney
« on: Thursday 10 October 13 23:03 BST (UK)  »
Thank you Louisa Maud.  Do you know if Florence Maud Putz born July 1875, Lambeth, 1d 434 was last child born to Samuel and Emily?  The Rough Settlement Exam shared by Bookbox for Sameul say he lived Lambeth Walk, 4 years, renting in 1875.  Think that's means they had moved from Greycoat to Lambeth Walk.  If Florence was his daughter, he'd managed to have a lot of kids right up to the time he went into care.  I didn't find him on the 1871 with Emily, I could be missing it.  I have her at age 38years as Head in Kennington, Lambeth with Alex, Samuel (jr), William, Priscilla, Walter, Arthur, Henry, Thomas, George and Emily.  Samuel was admitted to Princes road infirmary Jan, 1875.  Wondering if poor Emily was with child at that time as well as all the other kids.  Either way, I'm constantly amazed how resilient these women of those times were.  I know ladies who have a breakdown when the dishwasher breaks!

Samuel Charles Chichester Putz was born 1877, same year his grandfather died.  Does anyone know if that was Wandsworth Workhouse infirmary (maternity area)?  I see Union Road, Wandsworth.  Again, I'm not familiar with those workhouses or areas.  Curious if there were two workhouse situations going on in 1877 within same family. 

Thanks for any light shed on these questions.  I will order Samuel's death certif.  Thanks for the tip he was listed as Pulz!  Wendy260

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