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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Unusual first name or something else ? - Meriot Pine 1815
« on: Thursday 07 November 13 14:44 GMT (UK)  »
Or would you decipher this as something different ?

It is Meriot on  IGI  https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JMYW-2YY.
(margin entry for born )  June 9th 1815 , baptised 1816 May 12th. Meriot? daughter of William and Ann Pine from Willand, Devon Parish Register.

But I cannot find a marriage or a death after 1816 for anything like Meriot, so perhaps it was something else ? 

thanks
Chris

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Accuracy of 1841 Census?
« on: Saturday 26 October 13 12:32 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: KGarrad on Friday 25 October 13 12:54 BST (UK)
Quote from: chrisjpyne on Thursday 24 October 13 15:28 BST (UK)
I have an example of one of our earliest literate ancestors writing it as Payen on a parish register.   

That would have been written by the vicar/curate/priest?! ;D

So, not written by your ancestor at all

I agree that the parish curate would write most of the parish register entry but I assumed it was a formal requirement for the groom, bride and witnesses to identify themselves in their own hand on the register. That is why it is "Mark Of" if the individuals were not literate. Here is the parish record :  I am reasonably certain that "Stephen Payen" was written in his own hand and not by the curate that wrote the rest of the record.

Chris

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Accuracy of 1841 Census?
« on: Thursday 24 October 13 15:28 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for all of your feedback,

My theory on part of the family being recorded twice during the 1841 Census seems acceptable.

The information on the earlier pre-1841 Census information could be useful, at least it identifies that the family has a house in a parish on this date or if they have not, then they must move into the parish between Census reports.

I believe the illiteracy of the population is prime factor in how our family name spelling has changed from Pyne to Pine and in some cases back again.  It was determined by the enumerator's familiarity with surnames.  I have an example of one of our earliest literate ancestors writing it as Payen on a parish register.   

thanks  again,
Chris

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Family History Beginners Board / Accuracy of 1841 Census?
« on: Thursday 24 October 13 06:48 BST (UK)  »
Just a general question rather than posting the specific family details.
How accurate is the 1841 Census? It was the first one so perhaps mistakes were common.
Has anyone found one of their family members recorded twice ? This would be an explanation for my records but I wanted to get 2nd opinion on whether it is likely or not.

I have a family unit, husband, wife and 2 children recorded at their address.  But the husband and one child are also recorded at different address. He is recorded as a Labourer but the householder is the wife's maiden name so I am thinking the householder is father-in-law. 

It sounds plausible for a new family to live with in-laws on their farm, contributing to the farm work before getting their own farm established and the Census has recorded them at this transition stage of having their own place but also still working for their parents.

Thanks
Chris

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Decipher name of Farm in Tiverton parish Devon 1841/2 COMPLETED
« on: Wednesday 23 October 13 16:14 BST (UK)  »
Thanks very much for your answers.  Lythcourt would be good match if it is a local area name.

Chris

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Decipher name of Farm in Tiverton parish Devon 1841/2 - COMPLETED
« on: Wednesday 23 October 13 14:01 BST (UK)  »
Please can anyone help decipher the name of this Farm on 1841 Census and 1842 Birth Certificate. I think they are the same location by the shape of the word but I cannot get further than ???court Farm.  If so then it is same couple,  James and Mary Pine / Pyne, with thier 1st birth certificate child and 2 older children.

Also, what do the abbreviations mean in the occupation column of 1841 Census ?

Thanks for your assistance.
Chris Pyne

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Nottinghamshire Lookup Requests / Re: William Pine, East Markham 61/71 census
« on: Friday 18 October 13 08:03 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for this thread.  Older threads are useful for new members as this William Pine is my great grandfather and the 1871 Census was a gap in my research.

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