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thank you Patrexjax, I will go and search for it now, you just never know what something like that might contain
regards Ailsa

Hi

Thank you all again for helping with my query.
 I do have the same sort of questions as

_{Forfarian on: Saturday 11 November 17 10:51 GMT (UK)}

Was Adam the informant on the deaths of his wife and Jane, and were both deaths registered on the same day? Was he 'present' at both deaths? Maybe the Registrar of Gairloch North took pity on him and registered Jane's death to spare her father having to walk all the way to Contin and back, though I'm not sure that that was allowed, strictly speaking, by the rules then in force.

What intrigues me is how it came about that Jane died at Achnasheen, assuming that there is just one Achnasheen of course. If she was dying of consumption, she could never have walked there. So was she lodging there with someone, either for her health or in order to attend school (though she was too young for school)? What did Adam actually do after his wife's death? Where was she buried? How did he get her body to the kirkyard? If it was Gairloch kirkyard, how did he find out about Jane's death a day's walk away? What did he do with the other children while he was walking the length and breadth of the parish to deal with the deaths? Maybe he had, or was able to borrow (from whom?), a horse and ride rather than walk, but it was still a lot of travelling. And did his sheep have to fend for themselves? Was he dismissed from his job at Claona, or did he choose to move to Tarras in search of a better life?

I will answer each question:
Adam Scott was the informant on each of the deaths - wife and daughter Jane - he signed, Adam Scott, husband or Father, and Present at both.
Both deaths were NOT registered on the same day.
Catherine who died 5 May 1879 at 10AM, saying Cluna Parish of Gairloch, was registered 13th May 1879 at Balnaluib by Hur Murray, Assistant Registrar
Jane Scott who died 10 May 1879, aged 3 years - has what looks like a faint line through where time normally goes then a ? and next line says Auchnasheen. (Uncertain to tell really if the ? pertains to the time which is missing or the place), but her parents are listed as Adam Scott, Shepherd and Catherine Scott MS Maclean, Deceased. Again Adam is the informant and said he was present at her death, but this time was registered on the 19th May 1879, Balnaluib, again by Hur Murray, Assistant Registrar.  Both certificates are on the one page, and full title is Deaths in the Northern District of Gairloch in the County of Ross.
The other death on the page (1st one) was registered 6th May 1879, at Mellon Charles again by the same Assistant Registrar.

I think that the place name of Auchnasheen is incorrect on the certificate, it just does not seem possible for Adam to be present at both deaths if Jane's death did occur actually in Auchnasheen.

And why are the deaths registered on different days ?.
Catherine died 5th and registered 13th, Jane died 10th and registered 19th.  Dates just do not add up, can understand Catherine's dates, but definitely not Jane's dates of death and registration. If she died on the 10th and Adam registered Catherine's death on the 13th, then why did he not registered Jane's death at the same time.?

My only idea of explanation for this, is that Adam Scott was NOT present when Jane died, and that perhaps she was staying with someone in Auchnasheen rather than with the family - more research to do yet. And that Adam did not get word about her death until after the 13th May and closer to the 19th May.

This still raises your question about the other children, one being about 5yrs and the other still a baby of 1yr old. - All I know at this stage is that they were with their Maternal Grandparents on the 1881 Census back in Kiltarlity Inverness.
Adam is then recorded as a Shepherd in Tarras Moray working for James Davidson.

At this stage not located Catherine or Jane's burial details. As the certificates do not give kirkyard where buried I need to see if I can locate this yet.

BTW it is definitely the correct and same person of Adam Scott who signed both certificates.

So still lots of questions regarding the actual place of these deaths and why does Adam say he was present at both of them.??

Again thanks for the thoughts and intriguing ideas regarding my family and the places concerned. Still beautiful country even though very wild to be having and bringing up children, but that is what they did do then. Doubt any of us could survive the way they did - I know I would be lost without my internet access and computer LOL

Regards Ailsa

Hi Skoosh, you are correct. The original Adam Scott who married Mary Gillanders  24 March 1850, (marriage recorded in both Kilmallie Argyllshire where Adam was working, as well as Contin, Rossshire where Mary Gillanders was living) was born in the Scottish Borders of Roxburghshire. In fact in 1825 Priesthaul Hill, Hawick, along with his brothers and we think a sister. His father was also an Adam Scott and a Shepherd. At this stage not sure what happened with his parents, but we are still working on that.
The Gillanders family are from the Contin area in R&C, and also go back via marriage into the McKenzie's, in fact I have documents saying going back to Hector McKenzie - but I need to prove that myself and not just take word of mouth or others research - I think you will understand.

If anyone wants to contact me regarding the following family members I am currently updating in my database the family history proven goes this way. (I have just given very very basic details here)

Adam Scott b 1825 Roxburghshire married Mary Gillanders b 1826 Contin R&C - Married 24 March 1850
They had the following 11 children who also married:

Adam Scott b 1850 Contin R&C, married 1st Catherine McLean (Alex McLean & Jane McKay) (died 1879 Claona R&C) - 2nd Married Jane Taylor 1901 Bellie, Elgin  (Adam and Catherine had 3 children:  Mary Scott b 1874 Kiltarlity Inverness; Jane Scott b 1876 Kiltarlity Inverness died 1879 Auchanasheen ? R&C; John Scott b 1878 Claona R&C - married Annie Inglis in 1904 Urrary R&C0
Adam Scott died 1915 Banchory Ternan Kincardine  (this is the family I have been following just recently)

John Scott b 1853 R&C and died 1876 Falkland Islands, South America

Annie Gillanders Scott b 1854 Contin R&C, married John Spence Weir, 1874, Falkland Islands, died 1944 Christchurch Canterbury NZ - large family of 11

Alexander Gillanders Scott b 1855 (yes wonderful certificate), Contin R&C, married1878 Margaret McLean (dau of Hugh McLean and Margaret Ross), Kinlochewe R&C - he died 1931 Dunedin NZ - large family of 8

William Gillanders Scott b 1857 Contin R&C, married Bridget Conway in 1885 Timaru NZ. He died 1927 Waihi, NZ - family of 6

James Gillanders Scott b 1859 Contin R&C, married Margaret Martin 1891 NZ, and after Margaret died Married Isabella Black 1895 Hamilton NZ - family of 6

Kenneth Gillanders SCott b 1862 Kilmorack Inverness, married Catherine McLennan in 1890 Timaru NZ - he died 1949 Masterton NZ - family of 8

Thomas Scott b 1864 Kilmorack Inverness - not married - died 1917 Napier NZ

Charles Gillanders Scott (my Great Grandfather), b 1866 Glenaffric Inverness - married Jane Elliot (of the Elliot Clan of the borders), in 1888 Nevis Otago NZ, Jane died 1902, then he married her sister Isabella Douglas Elliot. Charles died 1923 Dunedin NZ. Large family from Jane only of 9 children

Jessie Isabella Scott born 1868 Glenaffric Inverness, died 1876 Falkland Islands South America

Walter Scott, born 1869 Abetarff Inverness, - no married, died 1914 Waihi New Zealand

If anyone is interested in the above family members, I would love to correspond with you, please send me a message via my email and I will answer anything you like. I have lots of information and photos pertaining to these families in NZ.

Kind regards
Ailsa Corlett

I just wanted to say thank you again today to everyone who has helped. I have had a wonderful day today, just looking at maps, and so many beautiful photos regarding the area, reading all about the hikers and the bikers that have gone there, taken photos, posted them up for people like me to view and see. It is truly a beautiful part of Scotland, and even though it would have been extremely cold in the Winter I can still see that it would have been very beautiful as well. Though many of the sites do mention the midges - we get them here in Australia as well, they come right through all the tiny fly screens as well, but what I day and time I have had just looking and reading so much about the area. So thank you for helping me out, really appreciated.
Ailsa

Hi, thank you so much for your help. It could be Cluna, as on 5 May 1879 the wife Catherine Scott MS McLean died with place given as Cluna, Parish of Gairloch and then on 10 May 1879 the daughter Jane aged 3yrs died, but this time place is recorded as Auchnasheen  - both on the same page which was lucky for me.  This time the registration was at Bualnaluil  (need to go and check the spelling myself on that one). So they appear to have been in the same area for the last two years at least, as child Jane born 6 Oct 1876 was at Ardendrian, Kilarlity, Invernessshire.
Will go and check out Scotlandsplaces again as well for anything regarding Cluna in that area. Appreciate the ideas and help
Regards Ailsa