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I did not post details as was not a name in your post
Belfast News-Letter 23 March 1942
WEIR--March 21, 1942, at her residence 75, Parkmount, Portadown, Emily, second daughter of the late Robert and Ellen Weir. Funeral today (Monday), at 2 p.m. to Drumcree Churchyard.

As Elwyn says death certs to 50 years yesterday ie 18 Jan 1972 can be viewed online for 2.50 on Doreen or Herbert may have registered his death and their address will be recorded.

If David had sort of accident on the railway it was not the cause of his death as that was of natural causes with no inquest at 15 Bond Street.

From Findmypast Newspapers / British Newspaper Archive:

Derry Journal 11 January 1909 / Londonderry Sentinel 9 January 1909
David Simpson, who had died inestate, had not paid off his 200 mortgage to build a house on Violet Street, obtained 1898 when a railway porter. Reportedly paid up to Feb 1905 when he could no longer pay being unable to work. Seems there was some deception by the Building Society Secretary a Mr Hassen now absconded. Lengthy 1 3/4 column report.

Derry Journal 8 Mar 1901 / inquest Derry Journal 11 March 1901
In 1901 a David Simpson was a passenger/Guard on a train where the engine driver fell off after leaning out too far and was killed on a new section of the Donegal Railway between Derry & Strabane.

Londonderry Sentinel 13 July 1905 / Derry Journal 14 July 1905
David Simpson of 15 Bond St David Lynch of 15 Bond St + brother Robert Simpson of York St summomed re killing & injury to swans at Rosses Bay - were walking 3 dogs and terrier went after a rat that headed to swan's nest which fluttered - accident, case dismissed.

Londonderry Sentinel 07 January 1905 / Derry Journal 06 January 1905
David Simpson was guard on an Donegal Railway Co excursion train on 28th August where a window was broken at Donemana station when stopped there an hour after sunset (8-30 pm) during return from Donegal to Londonderry. A man looked out and window was closed not open as he thought. He was trying to sue the Donegal Railway company for negligence as the carriage was not illuminated, he severely cut his thumb and unable to work for a month. Dismissed the man had not exercised care himself in the dark and checked window was open before sticking his head through it.  ::)

Network map
There are quite a few books if google Donegal Railways and look under images & books + other sites with rolling stock photos etc including one by Donegal Railway Heritage Centre which may be a good place to contact.

Armagh / Re: Looking for descendants/any information
« on: Yesterday at 19:36 »
from GRONI death index
Herbert Weir 28 Nov 1966 aged 75 Moira sub district of Lurgan
[Emily Weir 21 Mar 1942 aged 53 Portadown sub district of Lurgan was a spinster]

Belfast Telegraph 29 November 1966
WEIR--November 28, 1966, at Moira Hospital. HERBERT, dearly-loved husband of the late Emma Weir. Funeral from his late residence, 179 [or 178] West Street, Portadown, tomorrow (Wednesday), at 3 p.m. to Drumcree Churchyard. House private.--Deeply regretted by Doreen and Herbert.

The Common Room / Re: Permission from parents to marry under 21 - church only?
« on: Monday 17 January 22 19:25 GMT (UK)  »
there was an licence application timescale and standard licences stipulated the marriage place, detailed in the Ch76 pdf I think.

Pre civil reg it cost cost more to read banns in 2 parishes than by licence.

Calling banns cost 5/-, but if they lived in different parishes banns had to be called in both at a cost of 10/-. A licence cost 7s 6d saving 2s 6d against the 10/- double bann cost. (the alternative to this was the false address. Rent a room in the parish the marriage was to be in for 3 weeks, leave a suitcase with some clothes in the room and give as your address).

After 1837 would have to do some digging to match church charges with GRO at similar dates.
eg "In England and Wales the cost of a common licence was 2 - 3" 
from which has many more links.
Stan refers to a Report of the Royal Commission on the Laws of Marriage, 1868, that is 288 pages
On the next page I seem to have attached a screenshot with costs from 13th Annual Report of the Registrar General 1854 England.

The Common Room / Re: The 1921 Census - WHAT A RIP-OFF
« on: Monday 17 January 22 16:18 GMT (UK)  »
fail to see significant difference in input and output from searching the 1921 and the 1911 and when you hover over the image or transcript icons on the right get a few other names to aid verification that can be input restricting to parish or reg district. That is more detail than get when search older census on other commercial sites without a sub.
Name John Smith. Birth city, Yorkshire. Residence 1911 city, England.

The Common Room / Re: Permission from parents to marry under 21 - church only?
« on: Monday 17 January 22 15:30 GMT (UK)  »
Minimum marriage age was 12(girls) / 14(boys) until 1929.

Cheers Antony put 'eg 16' to avoid refreshing my memory, soon to be 18 I gather.

The Common Room / Re: Permission from parents to marry under 21 - church only?
« on: Monday 17 January 22 15:22 GMT (UK)  »
No, though in theory could be prosecuted for perjury for making a false declaration.

If married by banns, the couple was required to announce or publish their intention to marry for three consecutive Sundays. If no one objected to the intended marriage, then the couple was allowed to marry.
If either of the couple were under the age of 21 years and previously unmarried, then a parent or guardian of the underage party could forbid the banns. However, if they failed to object at the time the banns were read, they could not later object to the marriage.

While the parent of a minor could forbid the banns and so prevent a marriage from going ahead, a marriage by banns that took place without active parental dissent was valid. This gave rise to the practice whereby underage couples would resort to a parish where they were not resident to have the banns called without their parents' knowledge. Since the Act specifically prohibited the courts from inquiring into the parties' place of residence after the marriage had been celebrated, such evasive marriages were still valid. The only way in which an aggrieved parent could challenge such a marriage was if there had been a mistake amounting to fraud in the calling of the banns.

Where the marriage of an infant, not being a widower or widow, is intended to be solemnized after the publication of banns of matrimony then, if any person whose consent to the marriage would have been required under this section in the case of a marriage intended to be solemnized otherwise than after the publication of the banns, openly and publicly declares or causes to be declared, in the church or chapel in which the banns are published, at the time of the publication, his dissent from the intended marriage, the publication of banns shall be void.
A clergyman shall not be liable to ecclesiastical censure for solemnizing the marriage of an infant after the publication of banns without the consent of the parents or guardians of the infant unless he had notice of the dissent of any person who is entitled to give notice of dissent under the last foregoing subsection.
original pdf

You are unfortunately asking casual questions about a complicated subject which is likely why Antony suggested the book on marriage law.

The Common Room / Re: Permission from parents to marry under 21 - church only?
« on: Monday 17 January 22 14:26 GMT (UK)  »
I wonder, could a marriage be retrospectively be declared null and void in that case?

No, if above the legal minimum marriage age (with permission eg 16).

The Common Room / Re: The 1921 Census - WHAT A RIP-OFF
« on: Monday 17 January 22 14:16 GMT (UK)  »
Is there a site for the Belgian Census as the State Archives do not seem to have?

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