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Northumberland / Re: Etal Presbyterian Church
« on: Saturday 05 November 16 14:40 GMT (UK)  »
I have baptisms from Etal Presbyterian in my tree, the images are on Ancestry under http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=2972
England & Wales, Non-Conformist and Non-Parochial Registers, 1567-1970
Piece 3214: Etall Meeting House (Presbyterian), 1777-1843

oops should have read the last page as well as the first & second you already know that

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The Common Room / Re: GRO indexes on gro.gov.uk !
« on: Saturday 05 November 16 12:53 GMT (UK)  »
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Yes my great great grandad's surname (b 1841, 2 weeks after census day!),which is Rogers,is down as Rogirs.

Would only know for sure if you already have the paper copy, as equally well the transcription could be factually correct and the Register wrote it the incorrect way back in 1841.

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The Common Room / Re: GRO indexes on gro.gov.uk !
« on: Saturday 05 November 16 11:51 GMT (UK)  »
also found a 2 month old indexed as 2 years, but can't prove that as its before age was stated on standard index and agree records with no mother's maiden name = illegitimate, for those known to be from Warwickshire parish register images.

future price, who knows but expect they won't change quickly as the £6 & £8 prices are stipulated in the S.I. approved by Parliament so presumably any amendment to that would also have to pass through the Houses. http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/980/pdfs/uksi_20160980_en.pdf

With the Irish Government releasing pdf images of their BMD with 100/75/50 year cut-off online for FREE only 6 weeks ago one can only hope (the GRO format being of course set up by pre-partition by HM Government so essentially exactly the same as England & Wales). What I find useful there is get not just the scanned line from the book as currently pasted into paper GRO copies but the whole page of the Register Book. Having additional entries & names makes deciphering the hand-writing of place names etc easier, can see how the Register formed his letters.
For example in the attached image the birth place is Union Street, Lurgan. However, what one also sees is the 2 stage verification of the Master GRO book's transcriptions (held in Dublin) from the Local Register entry books. Signed as true copy by 2 people and one sometimes sees errors circled and corrections annotated. As I had previously paid for some BMD from GRONI for Belfast (from the Local books) I was able to compare myself and confirm that signatures on marriages for Witnesses and bride & groom where the surname differed in spelling from the minister's entry above were indeed duplicated and X mark if there was one & no comment if it was signed.

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The Common Room / Re: Does anyone have evolving surnames?
« on: Saturday 05 November 16 04:00 GMT (UK)  »
and of course for added fun placenames evolve too and swop back and forth even in the Parish Registers so Honyngham and Hunningham, Warwickshire are used by different ministers for births in 1860-80's and Hampstead Noreys & Hampstead Norris, Berkshire being recent off the top of my head. Just the phonetic variation then have the villages like Bugsworth, Derbyshire where the parish council decided should be Buxworth as they didn't like Bugs.

But to get back on topic Wetherall, Weatherall, Wetheral, Wetherel, Wetherill etc sometimes with the officiating minister writing it one way and the bride or groom signing another on the GRO/Parish entry.

What I find harder to understand is how Rymell became Ryman and then back to Rymill
Rymell / Rymel / Rymele / Rymill / Rymal / Rymall / Rimell. Ryman / Rymen / Riman.

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The Common Room / Re: Does anyone have evolving surnames?
« on: Saturday 05 November 16 03:36 GMT (UK)  »
recently I came across reference to a historic GRO report on surname variation by the Irish Register General 1901 so googled & downloaded the pdf see the attached image of one page. He tabulated surnames & their variations on subsequent pages, may be one by an English Register general too somewhere as part of their annual reports but not come across it. https://archive.org/details/varietiessynony00math On a previous page to the image he writes: The name “Whittaker” appears to have come from Whiteacre, with which form it has been found to be used interchangeably. Thus—
Whiteacre.
Whiteaker
Whitegar.
Whittegar.
Whittacre.
Whitaker.
Whittaker.

This is supposedly for Surnames in Ireland but no reason why can't throw any name in to see what it comes up with for curiosity https://www.johngrenham.com/surnames/

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Technical Help / Re: Free Photo Editing Programme for Windows 10 needed.
« on: Thursday 20 October 16 17:12 BST (UK)  »
Barbara

Based on the posts I've just downloaded Gimp for experimentation as see on a google for Windows 10 photos aps it is rated highly as people say. I've downloaded Ifranview before but for quick simple cropping and resizing and autotouchups or making grey/biege old paged look more crisp & white I still use the old Microsoft Office Picture Manager that used to be on XP etc and have it set as the default jpeg viewer etc.

I got it back by following the steps outlined here http://www.askvg.com/how-to-install-and-get-microsoft-office-picture-manager-back-in-office-2013/ specifically the bit about "Download Microsoft Office SharePoint Designer (Frontpage) 2010 Free", and just installing the Picture Manager as it illustrates.

I often use the Edit Pictures > Edit Colour > Enhance Colour then click on the bit I want to make white, sometimes best using Autocorrect first. Works fine on windows 10 alongside Office 2016 for me.

John

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The Common Room / Re: Marriage by Licence
« on: Thursday 20 October 16 09:21 BST (UK)  »
Perhaps got a bit carried away in old GRO Annual Reports never having looked for them before but came across some numbers, costs etc. The Reports are some 300-500 pages long starting with a summary chapter followed by pages of tables and I've just skimmed them. I'm sure much better professional research has been done.

First the sources:
http://www.histpop.org/ohpr/servlet/Show?page=Home

The OHPR website - histpop - is an online resource of almost 200,000 pages of all the published population reports created by the Registrars-General of and its predecessors for England and Wales and for Scotland for the period 1801–1920, including all Census Reports for the period 1801–1937, along with ancillary archival material from The National Archives

but I was continually getting the message “This web service is too busy at the moment. Please try again later.”

Some Pdf editions are however available here https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/012306664 and on Google Books using search ‘annual report of the registrar general’

Ireland/Northern Ireland Reports 1887 onwards from http://www.nisra.gov.uk/demography/default.asp57.htm
Ireland 1864 onwards: http://cso.ie/en/statistics/birthsdeathsandmarriages/archive/annualreportsonmarriagesbirthsanddeathsinirelandfrom1864to2000/

13th Annual Report of the Registrar General 1854 England:
Of the 152744 marriages in the year 1850, [30959, or 36 per cent., were celebrated according to the rites of the established church; 8 were stated to be by special licence; 17413 by licence; 98669 by banns; and 3136 by superintendent registrar's certificate, which may be looked upon as a substitute for the proclamation of Banns or licence. In 11733 instances the preliminary authority for the marriage was not stated by the officiating clergyman.
[table of costs/fees and discussion of Border Marriages attached as screenshot as text would not copy correctly]


England 33rd Report 1870: Of the 181,655 marriages, 137,986, or 76 per cent, were solemnized according to the rites of the Established Church, and 43,669, or 24 per cent., were performed not according to the rites of the Establishment. These proportions corresponded with those in the previous year. Of 100 marriages in the Established Church, 0.01 were by special license, 12 by license, 83 after banns, 3 by Superintendent Registrar's certificate, and in rather more than 1 per cent. it was not stated in which of the foregoing modes the requisite formalities antecedent to the actual ceremony had been observed.


Ireland 11th Report 1874: 24,481 marriages were registered in Ireland during 1874, being in the proportion of 1 marriage to every 217 ·Of the estimated population. 571 men and 2,905 women contracted marriage before they had attained their twenty-first year. The proportion of males married under age was 2.33; of females, 11.87 per cent.

Ireland 1887: Of the 3,640 Marriages according to the rites of the late Established Church, 36 were by special licence, 3,014 by licence, 509 after the publication of banns, 5 on Registrar's certificate, and in 76 instances there was no information afforded as to which of the foregoing methods was adopted.

Ireland 1900 37th Report:
Of the 3,297 Marriages according to the rites of the Church of Ireland, 42 were by special licence, 2,860 by licence, 362 after the publication of banns, 7 on Registrar's certificate, and in 26 instances there was no information afforded as to which of these methods was adopted,

Ireland 1918: Of the 3,566 marriages celebrated -according to the rites of the Church of Ireland, there were 115 by special licence, 3,092 by licence, 351 after the publication of banns ; one marriage was celebrated on 'Registrar's -  certificate, and in 7 instances the mode of celebration was not stated.

Some summary tables attached.

Also made some notes on stats for marriage age & literacy but will put them elsewhere later (average 1st time marriage age for men was pretty consistant at 25.6 vs 24.4 for woman 1840-1880).

John




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The Common Room / Re: Marriage by Licence
« on: Wednesday 19 October 16 14:46 BST (UK)  »
thanks Stan, thought must have been for more than tradition

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The Common Room / Re: Marriage by Licence
« on: Wednesday 19 October 16 14:25 BST (UK)  »
I have recently been focusing on my Northern Irish ancestors with the release of the Irish GRO images for free from https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp

For marriages 1845 to 1920 only 1 in 25 has been by Bann, all the others by Licence. Church of Ireland or Presbyterian families labourers, shoemakers etc, Armagh, Belfast, Monaghan.

This is the reverse of England where it has been unusual to see by Licence.

Why?

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