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I like the "slippery customers" idea....!  Indeed they are.....!

At the moment I don't have any direct links to the Leeds area in my records, but have thought about looking there - something else on the to do list.

However, way way back in my research I have seen occasional links to Methley, which is in that general area I think.

I'll have a look via the Oliver you mention, and see if he leads back in any way.

Meanwhile, no news on James - the Registry office cannot find him yet.....

Cliffelinks65

Following Brian's advice re burial grounds etc, I am still continuing the hunt for the right James. No joy yet...and a major delay from Bradford Registry office in obtaining some certificates. The office is being moved to another building at the moment, but, as always, they are being very helpful, so I am expecting something very soon now.

I've collected quite a collection of burial records now, which have helped with other parts of my extended tree, and at the same time analysised the 1841 census for the Aire valley from Skipton to Bradford - a toil of a pleasure, to say the least....

However, (and I know these are only numbers, and I'd better allow for errors on my part) I have found 541 living Butterfields on the census date, as follows:-

Addingham 1
Skipton 1
Keighley (incl Haworth) 264
Bingley 93
Shipley 46
Bowling 3
East End 31
West End 37
Horton 19
Manningham 4
N Bierley 11
Thornton 9
Wilsden 23

Of these, 63 are called John and 48 called Mary!  James comes in with 16....so I'm really starting to understand all the difficulties...

Hey ho..

Cliffelinks65

Hello Brian,

Thanks for the book information - I have found both of them this morning to use for future reading, but I appreciate the offer. I have done a little research on Shipley and Bradford connections, at the moment in the 1840s and 1850s, so the Moorland link will also be useful too.


I am starting to realise just how much information is out there, if you just know where to look!

Thanks also Sally for passing on your links and knowledge of these times.

I have one question, which may well be very naive of me, but I need to ask it....   If I find a death registration (eg Adam Butterfield, death registered in Keighley 1851) why am I not finding a burial record in the area?  I have looked in all the parish records that I think would apply, but no joy. Similarly, I have no birth or baptism record as yet, just two census returns (lived in Sutton 1841 and 1851). Is it simply that the relevant parish is not yet online, or am I missing something? I've only found one other Adam besides this one, but he wasn't born until 1849, and lived elsewhere.

I find this really confusing, but it might be inexperience on my part - can you advise?

Thanks in advance,

Cliffelinks65

Just received information re the 2 James's who died in 1865. One was a child, 9 wks old, parents William and Mary. He died in Gilstead, near Bingley, and the death was registered in Keighley.

The second one registered in Keighley that year died in an industrial accident at Oakworth Mills, aged 16.

This is verified, so both of these are out of the equation for the James I am looking for.

As I haven't found any census record that fits him for 1861 either, I'm thinking my  James died between 1851 and 1861.....so the case continues......


Cliffelinks65

Just picking up on a couple of points from previous posts....

I cannot work out "Paylina" at all - I've enhanced the census writing and it still looks like that name, but I haven't found the name anywhere else.. Looks like a mystery.

I liked the comments about Tumbling Hill etc for the Bradford Butterfields...if only they had written it down somewhere!

I looked through Colne for 1841 earlier this week - about 30 individual names,  at 9 addresses, but maybe involving less families....no clear links there as yet, but maybe 1851 will reveal more.

At that time Keighley, and the districts out of Keighley on the Colne road, and also the road to Haworth and Oxenhope show the most family numbers, and there is a bit of a spread to Bingley as well. I've managed to establish a few more links to what I already had here, but there's a way to go yet. Also. for what it's worth, i have no entries at all for Addingham in that year.

The Lane Ends, Oakworth part is really frustrating still - it looks like there must be some kind of  relationship between Elijah and family, who we know about, and Susannah and her children, but I can't pin it down. I find it hard to believe that in the Lane Ends of that time these two would be part of two different families.

I've found another entry for a Susannah, baptised in Haworth 18 Feb 1795, parents Joseph and Sarah, living at Lane Ends too....but who are they?? I have several Josephs marrying different Sarahs at around that time - there is Sarah Hird, Sarah Gott, and a Sarah Arnold (that one is a bit out of the timescale though). Any thoughts?

Also about Susannah - I can't help but think that son Ogden gives us a clue here....there are a number of Ogden families in the area....

I'm also feeling more and more that my elusive James is in the mix here too.

Confusing, time consuming...but fun!

Cliffelinks65