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Kirkcudbrightshire / McGeorge and Seaton
« on: Wednesday 02 September 09 06:16 BST (UK)  »
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I can send it to you.

just trying to work out your family
Where did your gggm Jane Tollan nee Bell get married and to whom?
How do you know Wilhemina was Jane's sister.  When and to whom did she marry.

How did you connect Jane with John Bell and Elizabeth McGeorge

It is so annoying that the English death certs don't have parents mentioned. Pity that Elizabeth did not die in Scotland.  There does not seem to be a death notice in the Dumfries newspapers

It certainly does seem if those the families are all connected as Jane did call her sons with the Christian including  Seaton and Bell
cheers
Kay

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Kirkcudbrightshire / MCGEORGE family
« on: Wednesday 02 September 09 05:09 BST (UK)  »
Hi Jeansgirl and Anne,
This is what I have on Thomas McGeorge and Jean Nicholson
   
Descendants of Thomas McGeorge


Generation No. 1

1.  THOMAS1 MCGEORGE was born Abt. 1769 in Scotland, and died 27 Nov 1832 in Mill Hall, Urr KKD Sct1.  He married JANE NICHOLSON.  She was born Abt. 1779 in Scotland, and died 26 May 1849 in Mill Hall, Urr KKD Sct1.

Notes for THOMAS MCGEORGE:
Kirkpatrick Durham MI  (as transcribed in the booklet)
imo Thomas McGeorge, d Mill Hall 27.11.1832, 63
w Jane Nicholson d Mill Hall 26.5.1849, 70
s Wm d Springholm 14.11.1863 55

More About THOMAS MCGEORGE:
Burial: Nov 1832, Kirkpatrick Durham, KKD Sct
Family: 13
Occupation: farmer
Residence: Mill Hall, Urr

More About JANE NICHOLSON:
Burial: May 1849, Kirkpatrick Durham, KKD Sct
Family: 13
   
Children of THOMAS MCGEORGE and JANE NICHOLSON are:
   i.   MARY2 MCGEORGE, b. Abt. 25 Mar 1803, Irongray, KKD, Sct2.

More About MARY MCGEORGE:
Family: 13

   ii.   WILLIAM MCGEORGE, b. Abt. 28 Aug 1804, Irongray, KKD, Sct2; d. 14 Nov 1862, Springholm, Urr, KKD, Sct3.

Notes for WILLIAM MCGEORGE:
Kirkpatrick Durham MI  (as transcribed in the booklet)
imo Thomas McGeorge, d Mill Hall 27.11.1832, 63
w Jane Nicholson d Mill Hall 26.5.1849, 70
s Wm d Springholm 14.11.1863 55

1841 census
Urr Mill Hall
William McGeorge  30  farmer
Jean Nicholson    60

1851 census
Kelton, Potterland Mill
John Bell   51
Elizabeth  45   Urr
William McGeorge   45 bil  ag lab    Irongray


(Elisa Bell 43 
Elisa Bell 18 
James C Bell 16 
John Bell 51 
John M C Bell 10 
Mary Bell 12 
Thomas Bell 14 
William Bell 7 
William McGeorge 45  ?
 
 


1861 census
Kelton, Potterland Mill
John Bell, HM 68 miller, Eng
Elizabeth   54      Urr
and family
William McGeorge  bil  56U  Irongray

Death certificate
Urr
14 Nov 1862
William McGeorge,  57yrs, house proprieter, single,  at Springholm
parents: Thomas McGeorge, small farmer  & dec & Jane Nicholson
cause: chronic bronchitis
informant: Elizabeth Bell, sister and sick nurse

More About WILLIAM MCGEORGE:
Burial: Nov 1862, Kirkpatrick Durham, KKD Sct4
Family: 13
Occupation: ag lab
Residence: Urr KKD Sct

   iii.   ELIZABETH MCGEORGE, b. Abt. 24 Aug 1807, Urr, KKD, Sct5; d. 06 Apr 1893, Wigan, LAN, Eng6; m. JOHN BELL, 1832, Urr, KKD, Sct; b. Abt. 1792, England7; d. 08 Jan 18648.

Notes for ELIZABETH MCGEORGE:
Urr Parish register
Scandals done away
Monday 24th August 1807
Bp to Thomas McGeorge and Jean Nicholson in Auchenreoch, a daughter christened Elizabeth and then presented the child for baptism, the father being under church... Elizabeth born Sunday 9 August 1807

Marriages
1832
John Bell and William McGeorge reperesenting his daughter Elizabeth McGeorge
John Bell and Elizabeth McGeorge

1841
Elizabeth Bell
Age: 34 
Born: Kirkcudbrightshire, Scotland

Springholm 
Urr 
Kirkcudbrightshire 
 
Elizabeth Bell 34 
Elizabeth Bell 9 
James Bell 7 
John Bell 44 
John Bell 1 
Mary Bell 75 
Mary Bell 3 
Thomas Bell 5 
Margaret Concha 15 
Agnes Ferguson 15 
 
1851 census
Kelton, Potterland Mill
John Bell   51
Elizabeth  45   Urr
William McGeorge   bil  ag lab    Irongray

1861 census
Kelton, Potterland Mill
John Bell, HM 68 miller, Eng
Elizabeth   54      Urr
and family
William McGeorge  bil  56U  Irongray


Crossmichael MIs (as transcibed by the Scottish Society )
#56 next to 40
Jas Bell d Auchenreoch Miln 10.3.1833, 76,
da Eliz d Crossmichael Miln 19.12.1815, 27
Prepare for death, make no delay, You see how youth is call'd away
w Mary Pearson d Auchenreaoch Miln 20.11.1841 78, gs
Jas Concar 4.6.1823 (fa Samuel Conchar, mason)
John Bell 8.1.1864 72
w Eliz McGeorge d Wigan 6.4.1893  86

#40
John Conchar d Over Arkland 19.12.1892 80,
w Janet Hyslop d Burnside Crossmichael 10.5.1887  72



More About ELIZABETH MCGEORGE:
Family: 13

More About JOHN BELL:
Family: 13



Endnotes

1.  MI.
2.  OPR.
3.  cert.
4.  MI.
5.  OPR.
6.  MI.
7.  census.
8.  MI.


cheers
Kay

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Kirkcudbrightshire / Re: MCGEORGE family
« on: Thursday 19 March 09 23:00 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Willie,

Pleased to be of help. it certainly gets confusing when each generation has the same surnames..John, Mary etc.  Having said that it does help when I am researching the McGeorge name as usually Walter belongs to about only 3 families, Samuel (including mine) in about  4 and so on. It helps to identify the families quite quickly

I will be in touch if I find anything

cheers
Kay

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Kirkcudbrightshire / Re: MCGEORGE family
« on: Wednesday 18 March 09 23:24 GMT (UK)  »

Hi Willie,
First,  there is no headstones (MIs) for any Richardsons in Kirkpatrick Durham up to 1855.
James Richardson did not leave a will
As you already know, there is no marriage for Mary McGeorge and James Richardson on the IGI . As you will most probably know, civil registration started in 1855 in Scotland and before that we have to rely mainly on parish registers. The registers can be very sparse with large gaps in years. There was a tax levied on entries into the parish registers late 1700s so of course people did not have the events entered.  The IGI is mostly for the Established Church of Scotland so if a person was at another church... Free Church, Catholic etc their names will most probably not be in the IGI.

I decided to look for a James Richardson and Mary in the 1841 census and found a couple living in Kirkpatrick Durham. They were the about the right age to be parents to Margaret Paterson Richardson.  James  65 cattle dealer, , Mary 60, Janet 25, John 23.  None of these names are in the IGI

in 1851 James was 78 born Twynholm,  Mary 75 born Parton AND  Mary Wilson  22 visitor, born Lochrutton.   
Could this be Mary Wilson visiting her grandparents?

I suspect that both James and Mary died before 1855 so no death certificate.  I do have about 5 pages of Kirkpatrick Durham deaths printed out. Alas they are about 15yrs old and faded dreadfully.  I will go through them and see if I can work out any Richardson names.

The only way I can see to prove all this is to look for their son John's death (born about 1818) to see if his parents names were James Richardson and Mary McGeorge


I could not find a birth for Mary McGeorge in Parton c1776.  I will keep looking

However after all that, I notice that you said that Mary was living next to her parents as the wife of Geddes in 1851,  so maybe all that above is incorrect.!!

Oh the joys of genealogy, one step forward and two back, mind you if it was so easy, it wouldn't be a challenge?

cheers
Kay


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Kirkcudbrightshire / Re: MCGEORGE family
« on: Wednesday 18 March 09 00:17 GMT (UK)  »
Hi,

My McGeorges lived in Lochfoot too around 1780-1840 and also Kirkpatrick Durham, so I suspect they would know of your family!

Did Robert and Margaret Wilson have a daughter Mary born Kirkpatrick around 1829?

If so I might just have something

Kay

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Kirkcudbrightshire / Re: MCGEORGE family
« on: Monday 16 March 09 22:50 GMT (UK)  »
Hi,
I do  not have any more on this family, the partish registers do not add any extra info unfortunately.  There does not appear to be any headstones for this family either. 
Can you give me ggrandmother's information so I can see if I am able to add anything

cheers
Kay

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Kirkcudbrightshire / Re: MCGEORGE family - Pagan
« on: Monday 23 February 09 23:15 GMT (UK)  »
Hi,
Marion McGeorge married John Pagan 24 Nov 1844 at Holywood, Dumfriesshire.
In the 1841 census she was living in Dumfries aged 14yrs with am Eliza Frazer 45 and Isabella Frazer I am not sure who the Frazers were. Maybe Marion was a servant?
By 1851 Marion was married and they were living in Dumfries. Marion was 25yrs and said she was born in Holywood.  A Marion was born 1825 to a William and Jean Walker. Dates certainly fit.

Headstone
In memory of Hector, son of John Pagan, who died at Clarencefield 31th (sic) August in the 24 year of his age.
Also the above John Pagan who died at Clarencfield 19th April 1893 aged 75 years. Also Marion McGeorge wife of the above John Pagan who died at Ruthwell 19th February 1907 in her 83rd year.

I have quite a bit on Marion's parents and family, also a name of another researcher.
*** Do you have Marion's death certificate to confirm her parents?***

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cheers
Kay

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Kirkcudbrightshire / Re: MCGEORGE family
« on: Monday 20 October 08 10:04 BST (UK)  »
Hi Tom
I do believe that your Thomas is part of the family I call F26
If you would like to email me at
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I can give you a 10 page of what I have on this family... wills, headstones etc.
You may find somehting I have missed
Kay

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Kirkcudbrightshire / Re: MCGEORGE family
« on: Monday 20 October 08 09:47 BST (UK)  »
Hi tom,
this is what I have on another Urr McGeorge family
Can't see anything that fits, ... yet

I will certainly keep on looking for possible Thomas's

Kay
Descendants of Peter McGeorge
                  
   1     Peter McGeorge   1750 - 1808   b: Abt. 1750   d: Aft. 1808   
........   2     John McGeorge   1775 - 1832   b: Abt. 1775 Urr? KKD Sct   d: 14 Oct 1832 Springholm, Urr, KKD Sct   
............      +Jean Baxter   1777 - 1878   b: Abt. 1777   d: 14 Mar 1878 Springholm Urr, KKD Sct   
...................   3     John McGeorge   1811 - 1849   b: Abt. 1811   d: 1849 Liverpool LAN Eng   
.......................      +Jane Gordon   1806 - 1849   b: Abt. 1806   d: 1849 Liverpool LAN Eng   m: 15 Apr 1839 Liverpool LAN Eng
.............................   4     John Gordon McGeorge   1840 - 1910   b: Abt. 02 Aug 1840 Wigtown WIG Sct   d: 31 Dec 1910 Castle Douglas, KKD Sct   
.............................   4     Samuel McGeorge   1841 -   b: Abt. 21 Dec 1841 Wigtown WIG Sct      
...................   3     Elizabeth McGeorge   1807 -   b: 04 May 1807 Springholm Urr, KKD Sct      
...................   3     William McGeorge   1810 - 1897   b: Abt. 1810 Urr, KKD Sct   d: 12 Oct 1897 Cowra NSW Aus   
.......................      +Ellen Smith            m: 22 Jun 1846 Liverpool LAN Eng
.............................   4     William Smith McGeorge   1848 - 1897   b: 1848 Liverpool LAN Eng   d: Aft. Oct 1897   
.............................   4     James McGeorge   1849 - 1897   b: Abt. 1849 Liverpool LAN Eng ?   d: Aft. Oct 1897   
...................   3     Thomas McGeorge   1818 - 1886   b: 15 Oct 1818 Springholm Urr, KKD Sct   d: 29 Nov 1886 Springholm Urr, KKD Sct   
.......................      +Jane Kirkpatrick   - 1886      d: Bef. Nov 1886   m: Aft. 1881
...................   3     Jean McGeorge   1822 - 1847   b: Abt. 13 Jan 1822 Springholm Urr, KKD Sct   d: 01 Jun 1847 Springholm Urr, KKD Sct   
...................   3     Jane McGeorge   1824 -   b: Abt. 1824      
...................   3     Peter McGeorge   1826 - 1841   b: 17 Mar 1826 Springholm Urr, KKD Sct   d: Aft. Mar 1841   

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