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The Common Room / Deportation from USA 1920

« on: Monday 28 March 22 14:15 BST (UK) »

I have a widow and child travelling to USA from England with her brother-in-law in 1919, and then deported back in 1920, to England, with an American born child in addition. The brother-in-law appears to leave his American born wife behind, and assumes the role of husband/father there-after. (He was with the American wife in 1920 census, but I cannot find the widow in 1920 census.)
I have looked to see if any files exist, but nothing showing. Many were destroyed. I think they had to be deported within a year of arrival. He had been in USA before, she had married in Ireland and had her first child there.

What I am interested in is whether anyone has had a deportation 'in the family' and knows the reason why. I can speculate but I am interested in actual reasons given, when known. I can find high profile cases and obvious reasons, but it is the 'little' misdemeanours that are more interesting.

Thanks

The Common Room / Missing births in 1919 and 1921

« on: Friday 11 March 22 07:46 GMT (UK) »

On the 1939 register for the Dyke family in Winchester are Maurice K Dyke, born 08/03/1921 and Joan B Dyke/Thorpe, 05/02/1919, presumed parents Frederick (1874) and Emily B (1879).

Maurice Keith Dyke dies in 2014. Joan Beryl Thorpe dies in Winchester in 2004

They both show on a free search of 1921 in the same very large family, living in Chilcomb Without, born Winchester. There is a gap in ages between a Norman born 1912 and Joan born 1919 in the family. I did a free search so relationships not specified.

Norman is born as Norman James Hawkins in Mar qr 1913 no mmn, and Frederick Dyke gets round to marrying Emily B Hawkins in 1921, though she has had his children since 1902 - born as Hawkins. (Fred had previously married Martha Elizabeth Green in 1893, 4 children Dyke/Green).

They are in a variety of trees on Ancestry, many not having Maurice, Joan nor Norman, and frequently quoting a marriage around 1895 for the parents, often neglecting Martha.

Can anyone see a Maurice Keith or Joan Beryl born in Winchester, Hampshire or anywhere under any surname that looks reasonable for them?

Thank-you.

Europe / Bosinsel Brod location

« on: Wednesday 23 February 22 13:09 GMT (UK) »

On a form typed out in 1939, the person's birth-place in 1911 is given as Bosinsel Brod. He has also been 'stateless' or 'uncertain' for several years in other reports.

Trees on Ancestry suggest the birthplace as Brod, Posavina, Croatia. Some also suggest parents are German, and father was in the army and a station master and a civil servant, so could have moved around a lot.

He has a very involved personal history, and I do not, at the moment, need any help with that.

If he was born in Brod, how does the Bosinsel fit in?

Thanks for any pointers,

Pat

The Common Room / Italian first names anglicised

« on: Monday 24 January 22 09:49 GMT (UK) »

Samuel Cozzi gives as a next-of-kin his sister Mrs Vitale on some military records. He is age 23 on 07/08/1914 (so birth 1890/1891), but does not know/supply his place of birth. He enlists at Tidworth, which is near Andover.

From the 1921 free search Samuel (1893, London) is living in the same household as Vitantonio Vitale and Mary Vitale, she was born in Italy in 1888, plus families, in Andover.

Maria Giuseppa Cozzi married Vitantonio Vitale in Holborn in 1905. (He is an organ grinder on 1911, children born Worthing, now living in Andover.)

1) Is it reasonable that she could be called Sepuccia on the 1901 census in Holborn, age 14?

In addition, there are 2 younger siblings for Sepuccia in 1901 - Luigi (who is 3 but Ancestry transcribed as 13, born London) and Francesca (5, London).
There is no 'Samuel' born 1893, or 1890 or 1891.

I was looking for family in 1891 when I thought Luigi was born in 1887, but they could have still been in Italy.

In 1901 the parents are Angelo (47) and Maria (42). Organ grinder.
In1911 I have Angelo (47) and Mary (45) Organ Grinder. Children Emily (17) Francis (16) Louie (15) Michael (9) Angelina (4) Parents Italy, children London. No Samuel. Extra children to 1901.

The 1911 claims 10 children born, 7 still living. 25 years married.

In 1921 parents fit with 1911 for ages, Angelo born 1864, Mary born 1866, Ange 1907 and Michael 1911 (this age is out). There are at Worthing and they have an Organ which was damaged and resulted in a court case in 1935.

2) Could Luigi become Louie become Samuel?

The mother's maiden name could be variants on Maerino/Macrino/Macharino/Magorino, and Cozzi also as Couzi/Cozze and probably some others.

They are in a variety of trees on Ancestry, but not yet found any that have all the information fitting together - if it does.

I have probably missed out some information, I have not yet found Samuel in 1911.

Thank-you.

Added: NO, got no certificates. Sorry.

Meath / James Kiernan - birth and death - from Ireland to Wales then Hampshire then?

« on: Thursday 16 December 21 08:03 GMT (UK) »

In the 1901 Welsh census in Bodfari, Flintshire, there is James Kiernan from Rodstown, Ireland, age 43, a groom, with wife Elizabeth, age 31, from Crewe, and children born in Bodfari, Flint.

In 1911 they are in Bodfari, with more children, and James is from County Meath, 53, a groom, Elizabeth is 40 from Nantwich.

Elizabeth Ann Charlesworth married James Kernan in 1892 in Nantwich.

Most of the children are born as Kiernan mmn Charlesworth.

There is a possible baptism for a James Kiernan in Bohermeen in 1859.

Daughter Margaret Mary Kiernan (1902) marries in Romsey district in 1924, given away by her brother Charlesworth Kiernan, and the reception is held at her parents' home. Neither of the parents are named so there is the remote possibility that Elizabeth Ann has died and James married again.

There is a birth for Elizabeth Ann Charlesworth in Nantwich in 1867 (or Stockport or Macclesfield in March quarter 1870)

There is a death for an Elizabeth Ann Kiernan in Romsey in 1931 age 57. This age is completely out, but is my favourite. Other siblings of Margaret Mary marry in Romsey in various years so there is the family connection.

Does James return to County Meath, and die there?

Any suggestions, please. I do not have any certificates, sorry.

England / Edward Steele from 1911 census

« on: Friday 24 September 21 14:27 BST (UK) »

In the 1911 census there is an Edward Steele and wife Caroline, married 16 years, 1 child claimed, and a grandson with them William Henry Richardson from Bermuda age 3. Thus the grandson could belong to either of them, or neither, from a previous marriage.
The nearest marriage, by location, for them that I can see would be in Brighton in 1894 For Edward Steele to Caroline Piper.
Edward and wife both age 48, she is from Gosport he is from Tin Head, Wilts, they are living at 44 Marylebone Street, Southsea.
There is no obvious birth for an Edward Steele in Westbury in around 1863

I can see a baptism for an Edwin Steele in 1869 in TinHead/Edington, parents William and Mary Ann (Carr). They are together in 1871 and 1881, and he is called Edward on censuses.
There is a death for an Edwin Steele in Westbury in 1934 age 64, and a burial at Tinhead.

The 'grandson', William Henry Richardson from Bermuda, has parents William Henry Richardson and Ida Maud Kyme, from various records. Both Ida and William were born in the 1870's, so they could not be the children of either of the Steele's if that baptism is him.
Ida and William, snr., have very complicated lives/marriages/not marriages, so please ignore them if possible.

I think we have to assume that the grandson is not related, but I wanted to give a little background.

I can see Caroline Steele on her own in 1901, married.

Can anyone find Edwin/Edward Steele on 1891 and 1901 censuses? As he is a dockyard labourer by 1911 I do wonder if he is abroad on a boat and misses the censuses, or is military, but I am trying to sort out a lot of loose ends. Probably they are just looking after the 'grandson' and the enumerator (who appears to have filled in that entry) has made an assumption that is not valid.

Thank-you,

Pat

The Common Room / Wedding fashions 1935

« on: Friday 17 September 21 13:42 BST (UK) »

In the newspaper description of a wedding in Hampshire in 1935, the bridesmaids are wearing 'dresses of floral georgette, their head-dresses being tulle flapjacks and they carried bouquets of golden chrysanthemums'.

Any idea of what a 'flapjack' in this context was, or what they should have said and the reporter did not read his own writing correctly?

Thanks,

Pat

England / Mawsons born Tamworth 1906-1907

« on: Friday 20 August 21 22:07 BST (UK) »

Elizabeth Frances Mawson and Geraldine Mawson were born in Tamworth, as above, with mmn Renton.

Elizabeth marries in 1935 with sister Geraldine as bridesmaid, their parents being Mr & Mrs Algernon F A Mawson. Algernon F A Mawson marries Elizabeth Mabel Renton in Tiverton in 1905.

Algernon is in Andover in 1911, married, crossed out married 5 years 2 born 2 living.

Elizabeth Mary Manson (ancestry) born 1886 Rudgwick Sussex, is with her Renton family in 1911 in Tiverton, married, crossed out married 5years 2 born 2 died.

Presumed brother Algernon born in Andover in 1916.

Can anyone find Elizabeth or Geraldine on 1911?

Thank-you

Wiltshire / Planks in Wiltshire

« on: Sunday 08 August 21 10:58 BST (UK) »

John Stevens married Elsie Plank in Preshute in 1905. She is aged 18, father Walter.
She appears as Elsie Rose Stevens in 1911. Ernest George Plank is with them, possible birth in 1894 mmn Plank.

Elsie Plank and Walter John Plank are baptised in Manningford Bruce on March 12th 1890, both with parents Walter and Lydia.
Walter John Plank may have been born in Pewsey in 1889 with mmn Plank.

Lydia Plank married Walter Plank in Devizes in 1888, bachelor and spinster.

Elsie Rose Stevens (and husband) are on 1939 with her birth as 07/03/1887

I have just seen a birth for a Rose Plank in Devizes in Jun qr 1887 - which I cannot find on GRO.

In 1891 the family Plank appear to be under Sheppard - Walter and Lydia Sheppard both age 24 living in Manningford Bohun, Pewsey with Elsie and Walter John.

Walter, father and son, plus more children back to Plank in 1901. Lydia with another daughter with her mother in 1901 as Plank. No Elsie.

I would really like a birth for Elsie (Rose). Suggestions for why (?) Sheppard - but not really of interest for what I want. Also Elsie in 1901 if possible, but I am finding I have been typing Plant half the time, so I have made things more difficult, not less.

I have sorted out some of my problems since I began typing this, but the background always helps.

Thank-you, Pat