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Occupation Interests / Re: 19th century shipping knowledge needed
« on: Thursday 03 March 22 11:29 GMT (UK)  »
Roobarb,
Not withstanding my comments re Lloyd's List.
It doe's look like NYMPH Liverpool.
Two possibles but my guess is you have looked for crew agreements in BT98/4547?
Other than that all I can suggest is LLoyds List.

SW

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Occupation Interests / Re: 19th century shipping knowledge needed
« on: Tuesday 01 March 22 14:51 GMT (UK)  »
Roobarb,
Try searching "Lloyd's List" available from the British Newspaper Archive. Use the search term Quebec.
I doubt it will give information on the said desertion but it will narrow down the names of the ships which were in Quebec. You can then search the relevent Crew Agreements at TNA.
The Crew Agreement of the last ship you know he was on in 1856.  Doesn't it tell you the name of his previous ship?
Do you know his Seamans Ticket number?

SW

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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: searching for descendants of Edward Wignall
« on: Sunday 20 February 22 18:34 GMT (UK)  »
I am  not connected to Edward Wignall, but I am interested in the HMS Sans Pareil.   

A link to the catalogue entry to the logbooks March 1852-June 1863 of HMS SANS PAREIL.

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r/2?_ep=SANS%20PAREIL&_cr=adm53&_dss=range&_sd=1852&_ed=1870&_ro=any&_srt=3&_st=adv

Logbooks of HM Ships are primarily navigational records but may contain snippets of information concerning individual Seamen.

SW

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The Common Room / Re: Henry Hugkulstone - confused
« on: Tuesday 15 February 22 15:39 GMT (UK)  »
"at Sunderland" makes a lot more sense than my Sundius theory.

The "William Penn" that was loading in London was on the London-New York run, so I am now wondering if there was another vessel of that name operating out of Sunderland.

There were two vessels with the name WILLIAM PENN operating in 1867. The ship you refer to was a steamship registered in Waterford official number 49738. The other registered in Sunderland, a sailing coaster O/N 1815 owned by W S Pallister. In my opinion this is the possible vessel in contention. 
She put in to Portsmouth with a broken bowsprit, jib boom etc on 2 Jan 1867 voyage Sunderland for Cowes. The weather was gale force winds and snow storms.This would have made for a very uncomfortable voyage and maybe the last straw for young Henry.
For what it's worth I think Lund is a miss spelling of the abbreviation, Lond. (London) Maybe she also put into the Port of London.
.The 1867 Crew Agreements and logbooks of this vessel are in the Maritime History Archive.
https://mha.mun.ca/mha/holdings/viewcombinedcrews.php?Official_No=1815
This should prove wether or not Henry was on board.
However we should not discount the Steamer WILLIAM PENN Her Crew Agreements maybe on line from "Ancestry" If they have a subscription, it may pay the O/P to look there first.

SW
 

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Lost at Sea
« on: Saturday 12 February 22 16:47 GMT (UK)  »

Hopefully your post will be seen by Seaweed who is expert on these things  :)

I don't know about that Roobarb! ;)
Nothing much to add really. CALLIOPE official number 25238 was lost, with all hands? on 23/April 1871. Voyage Calcutta for New York City with a general cargo.

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.35112203984325&view=1up&seq=789&skin=2021
Number 2164 pages 736 & 737

Her 1871 crew agreement, which may give further information concerning his demise, is available at a cost, from
https://mha.mun.ca/mha/holdings/viewcombinedcrews.php?Official_No=25238

Have you looked at the 1871 Deaths at Sea register. Available from FindMyPast

SW

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I'm now uncertain if this was the older Alexander McKellar (shown above?) who is in the war grave -need to try to get ship's log, if possible.


 FindMyPast should have basic details of how he met his demise. Taken from the Deaths at Sea register.
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/search-world-records/british-armed-forces-and-overseas-deaths-and-burials
There were nine British and Empire ships around in 1917 with the name KING EDWARD. So if you do visit Kew you need to find the correct one.
I suspect it was the Glasgow registered KING EDWARD official number 113963 but I could be wrong.
https://www.crewlist.org.uk/data/viewimages?year=1915&name=KING+EDWARD&steamsail=Steam&year=1917+&submit=enter
The DAS register should tell you the official number of the ship he died on.
The ships Logbook should tell you in detail the cause of his demise. The ships Crew Agreement should tell you personal details, such as his last address, NOK etc. Which should prove wether or not it is the person you seek.
Search TNA catalogue via Official number.
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?name=Search&_cr1=BT%2099/3328&_aq=113963

SW

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The Lighter Side / Re: Brushing up on merchant seamen ancestors.
« on: Sunday 23 January 22 19:05 GMT (UK)  »
Hello coombs,
I was a little confused when you first started this thread, not least because it was posted in "The Lighter Side"
You now seem to have worked out some of the questions posed yourself.
The information regards the name of the ship he sailed on in 1845/46 should be contained in TNA pieces BT98/727, BT98/728 and BT98/1023
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_srt=3&_ep=maldon&_cr=bt98&_dss=range&_sd=1845&_ed=1846&_ro=any&_st=adv
These records cannot be seen online, A trip to Kew is the only way to view.
With a little effort, you should be able to find your man and the vessel he sailed on, either by his name on the Crew Agreement or Port Rotation number.
The Port Rotaion number is usually attached to the Half Yearly Crew Agreement but I suspect that this was entirely down to the person who compiled them for forwarding to the BOT.

SW

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Armed Forces / Re: Merchant navy records
« on: Thursday 20 January 22 16:20 GMT (UK)  »
On British ships, Greaser would have been classed as semi skilled. His primary function would involve oiling and greasing the ships machinery.  He would also undertake other engine room duties such as cleaning. Known as a Wiper on US vessels.
Other records.
If he had further MN service after 1921, then details should be on FindMyPast. Assuming of course they have not been lost or destroyed.
You say he deserted from the Army in 1915/16.
I would take a look at the crew agreement of EMPRESS OF FRANCE  official number 136266, covering the date 11.3.1921 to see if he had a previous ship. Available from the British National Archive. You would need to visit or appoint a researcher to look for you or ask for a quote for copying from TNA.
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C2480954
If you do get hold of his previous ship, if any. Then come back to us and we can tell you how to proceed futher. Merchant Navy Personal records for the period of the First World War have been destroyed so the only way is via Crew Agreements.
Cannot find a WW1 medal listing for him.
https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/merchant-seamens-campaign-medal-records-1914-1918/

SW

 


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The Common Room / Re: Does Anyone Know Anything About Boats?
« on: Wednesday 19 January 22 15:45 GMT (UK)  »
Just to add.
Note my additions to my previous post.
 ELEANOR 6527 was registered at Maldon from 1861 until 1866. Wether your ancestor was her owner for the entire time, I don't know. Before 1861 she was registered in Wells.
https://www.crewlist.org.uk/data/viewimages?year=1861&name=ELEANOR&steamsail=Sail&year=1860+&submit=enter
 Gleaning information on a small ship from a small port is sometimes best achieved by local sources. I would get in touch with the The Maeldune Heritage Centre info@maelduneheritagecentre.co.uk to see if they can put you in touch with a local maritime historian who may be able to tell you the entire Maldon history of ELEANOR.


SW

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