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Northumberland Lookup Requests / St Andrews, Bolam Parish, Northumberland (Sur: YOUNG, GILLS)
« on: Tuesday 27 January 15 15:10 GMT (UK)  »
Hello,

I am unsure if this will be possible but I am looking to see if someone can get me a picture (or even to see the actual entry and take some notes) of a christening record.

I have seen the online index as well as the entry on FreeReg, but those are summaries and I am wondering if there may be any more information in the actual record.  I am in the US so going to a library here won't do me much good right now.

Here is the information that I have on the Christening:

Joseph YOUNG
Date: 18 Dec 1855
Pl: St Andrews, Bolam Parish
Fa: John Young
Fa Occu: smith
Mo: Mary Ann GILLS
Mo Note: Single woman from Trewick
Abode: Newton


I am wondering if there are sponsors for baptism listed, or perhaps family of the parents, any other notes on the situation surrounding the birth of Joseph, etc. 

Thanks In Advance

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: LFI: RE: Blacksmith Apprentiship terms/contracts/employment, etc
« on: Tuesday 27 January 15 14:23 GMT (UK)  »
Rus,

Hey sorry I missed your last post.  Yes, I have the record for his birth registration.  I found the general index for his christening on Ancestry and then went to FreeReg (Search "Joseph Young" "1855" and "Northumberland")and found the transcribed entry (have not seen the original entry)

It was there that I found that he was Christened at St. Andrews, Bolam Parish.  It was there that it was noted that John Young was a smith  and that his mother was a single woman from Trewick.

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: LFI: RE: Blacksmith Apprentiship terms/contracts/employment, etc
« on: Tuesday 27 January 15 13:09 GMT (UK)  »
Grandies,


Um, not sure you have the right Mary Ann?  Could you tell me where you found the marriage record?  Her parents are Robert and Jane Gills. Joseph's birth registration has him born in Trewick Aug 1855. In 1861 he would have been six years old.

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: LFI: RE: Blacksmith Apprentiship terms/contracts/employment, etc
« on: Tuesday 27 January 15 03:28 GMT (UK)  »
Oh I am quite aware that there must be more to prove or disprove. But it is scattered and records confused if I attempt several possibilities at once.  So this particular John Young is my focus at the moment.

I found it interesting that John Young was present at the Christening of his son (and as such in the record Joseph is given the surname of Young even though his birth registration he is given the surname of Gills- his mother's).

I have never heard of bastardy records. What information do those provide and how do I access them?

As for the choosing of the name Joseph-- Mary Ann had a brother and an uncle named Joseph as well as the brother of her grandfather, so I would guess she named her son for one of them rather than for John's father.

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Family History Beginners Board / LFI: RE: Blacksmith Apprentiship terms/contracts/employment, etc
« on: Monday 26 January 15 19:21 GMT (UK)  »
Hello,

I am not new to genealogy in general, but I am new to this site and to researching so far away (where I can't go and find the record myself).

I am an American researching here (primarily) for my best friends family tree and my in-laws.

At the moment (and the reason for this particular post) is that I am looking for the potential father of my best friends' 3x's great grandfather, Joseph Gills.

He was born Aug 1855 in Trewick, Northumberland to Mary Ann Gills and (according to his christening record) John Young, resident of Newton.

In the Christening record, John Young is listed as having the occupation of "smith".  This lead me to look in the 1851 Census of the area for a John Young, born abt the same year as Mary Ann Gills (1833), and working as an apprentice.  This gave me the result of a John Luke Young b. 1833, Northumberland

I did some pushing back and found the family of John Luke (parents: Joseph and Eleanor Young- both of Bramburgh/Brambo.) in the 1841 census and 1861 (wife: Margaret; Ch: Margaret Ann) Durham.

So this lead me to wonder if knowing more about the blacksmith apprenticeship would help my understanding of John Young's movements- and if it is highly possible that he could very well had contact with Mary Ann Gills in the fall/winter of 1854.

Is there anywhere that contracts would be filed by the Blacksmith Master? Any record of payment from one family to another? At what age would an apprenticeship begin and for how long? Typically how long was the journeyman process and would they have to be a master blacksmith to be employed as a colliery blacksmith (the occupation listed for John Luke in the 1861 census)? 

Are there any lists of a guild of some sort?

Any help or insight would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks :D

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Northumberland / Re: Witnesses to a marriage in Tynemouth (YOUNG, RIDLEY)
« on: Monday 26 January 15 19:04 GMT (UK)  »
Awe, unfortunately not the family I was hoping for :)

The Young's I am hoping for were primarily blacksmiths/coal industry workers or police officers.  Thanks for sharing! :) There was an Eleanor Young D/O Joseph Young (police officer) and Eleanor Smith (according to christening records)...and that who I was hoping this Young would be!


Thanks again

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Northumberland / Re: Witnesses to a marriage in Tynemouth (YOUNG, RIDLEY)
« on: Monday 26 January 15 18:00 GMT (UK)  »
Hello,


I am wondering if perhaps you have the family information for the Bride Eleanor YOUNG?  Would you be willing to share it?  I know it has been a few months since you posted, but I just joined and am looking for information related to the YOUNG family.

Thanks In Advance

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