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Fife / Re: Andrew Black, Comptroller of Customs, Anstruther Easter, died 1807
« on: Thursday 05 May 16 08:13 BST (UK)  »
The other witness at Henry Johnston's baptism was Andrew Johnston, merchant of Anstruther Easter.  Perhaps he's from the Pittowie family.

Henry didn't have witnesses from out of town at his baptism, whereas some of his older siblngs did.  I recently posted details of the baptism of his older sister Isabella and the witnesses were a Bethune from Fingask and George Clephane from Carslogie.  A baptism in Anstruther Easter would have been the perfect excuse for a boys' weekend. 

The coexistence of two Andrew Johnstons in the same area has been confusing.  I have a hunch that the Rennyhill Andrews were more colourful for a generation or two.

The John Drummond who was a witness for the Black twins in 1741 was also the witness at the baptism of Jean Johnston, daughter of James Johnston, maltster, and Elspeth Balfour.  Is it possible that James was related to Andrew Johnston?

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The Lighter Side / Re: What's the oddest name you've found?
« on: Wednesday 04 May 16 13:35 BST (UK)  »
We have a Hannah Fluck in one tree - she died in Allegany, Maryland.  I was pleased to discover that Fluck was her surname from her first marriage and that her maiden name was Phillips.  Fluck would be an easier name to research though.

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Fife / Re: Andrew Black, Comptroller of Customs, Anstruther Easter, died 1807
« on: Wednesday 04 May 16 13:02 BST (UK)  »
Thanks Harry.

I was hoping this might catch your eye as you are a living encyclopaedia of the area.

So, I think therefore that there were two Andrew Blacks who were Comptrollers of Customs - firstly Andrew who witnessed Henry Johnston's baptism at Kilrenny in 1770 and then later on his nephew, son of James Black and Helen Hodge.

There's a couple called James Black and Janet Bennet who baptised an Andrew on 3 June 1735 and a James on 26 Sept 1742 and I just spotted Johnston Black who was baptised 10 Oct 1740 at Anstruther Easter. 

More credits purchased - Johnston and John were twins - witnesses were Andrew Johnston and John Drummond (a merchant).  It says their father James is a land labourer.



      



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United States of America / Re: US Census 1930 and census 1940 - Gallagher
« on: Wednesday 04 May 16 10:09 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Bryan1 on Monday 20 April 15 05:17 BST (UK)
I doubt this Gallagher signed up on the British side in the war!!

Only a week or so ago I was listening to National Radio in the evening (it may have been just after 9pm on Tues 26th - it's probably on their website).   I think the programme was about the Easter Uprising.   What I learned from it was that many Irish Catholic priests had studied at seminaries in Belgium, so the invasion of Belgium by Germany prompted many Irish Catholic men to sign up.

But you're talking about WWII aren't you?

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Fife / Re: Andrew Black, Comptroller of Customs, Anstruther Easter, died 1807
« on: Wednesday 04 May 16 08:36 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Rosinish on Wednesday 04 May 16 00:41 BST (UK)

Hi Hurworth,

The norm usually would be...a middle name which is actually a surname....a good possibility of being the mother's maiden name or grandmother's maiden name on the maternal line if that helps?

Annie

Quite a few of the children were given various family surnames (luckily for me, from a genealogy perspective as they were excellent clues), but I haven't found a Black in any of the maternal lines.  I don't think think that Black is a name from Henry's wife's family.   Henry's wife was born across the Atlantic, probably in South Carolina, and her father was from Dundee.

They gave another child the middle name Forrester and I'm certain that is after Henry's brother-in-law in Kilrenny rather than the name of an ancestor.

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United States of America / Re: Fortune family of Fife, Scotland and California
« on: Wednesday 04 May 16 00:18 BST (UK)  »
Thank you.   Yes, it could help. 

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United States of America / Re: Fortune family of Fife, Scotland and California
« on: Wednesday 04 May 16 00:07 BST (UK)  »
Hi Annie,

My post wasn't really a query.

Isabella Johnston (daughter of Andrew Johnston and Euphame Clephane) married James Forrester.

Their daughter Mary Forrester was the second wife of Rev Brown.  Their daughter Helen Brown married George Fortune.

I wasn't sure the Fortune descendants had this information about this maternal side of the family.

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Fife / Andrew Black, Comptroller of Customs, Anstruther Easter, died 1807
« on: Tuesday 03 May 16 23:46 BST (UK)  »
I'm hoping someone with local knowledge may have information about this family.

Andrew died on 29 Nov 1807.

His will CC20/4/29 only mentions a niece, Janet Black of Anstruther Easter. 

I'm wondering whether she is the Janet Black who died in 1834 who was the sister of Captain James Black of the Royal Navy (curiosity will no doubt get the better of me sometime and I will buy some more ScotlandsPeople credits and get her will).

What I am wondering is whether this Black family is related to the Johnstons of Fallside/Rennyhill or the connection is that they were trusted friends. Andrew Black was a witness at the baptism of Henry Johnston in 1770 at Rennyhill and the other witness was Andrew Johnston, merchant of Anstruther Easter.

I received a lot of help on Rootschat with Alexander Black of Gidea Hall last year (see link below) and I haven't worked out whether Alexander Black is related to these Anstruther Easter Blacks or not.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=716633.msg5604307#msg5604307

Henry Johnston who was born in 1770 named a son Alexander Black Johnston.

Another association between Johnstons and Blacks (but are they the same Blacks?) is via Henry's sister Ann Jean Johnston who married Neil MacVicar, an Edinburgh merchant (explained in the other thread).


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United States of America / Re: Fortune family of Fife, Scotland and California
« on: Tuesday 03 May 16 22:15 BST (UK)  »
I recently looked at the baptism of Isabella Johnston.  She was the wife of James Forrester, minister of Kilrenny.

She was the daughter of Andrew Johnston and Euphame Clephane and was baptised at Anstruther Easter on 16 August 1756.   The witnesses to the baptism were George Clephane of Carslogie (Euphame's brother) and someone Bethune of Fingask.

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