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Lanarkshire / Re: Gordon Blair - Mystery? or Not!
« on: Tuesday 18 April 17 10:32 BST (UK)  »
Sue,
The remark was that I feel the moment I say anything, JM is hovering overhead waiting to swoop and disagree and even bring up things that aren't relevant like the J.M.Blair mistake which I said that I had the wrong dates posts ago and put my hand up for ... so you can keep bring it up forever.??!!! Who does that ??!!! Not the 1st time either.

I put forward a proposition of why he maybe used or was called James as his name, as none were born in that time period. I didn't say it was gospel. It was a proposed 'find'.

I don't care if people make mistakes. It's not a perfect science. I thought we were all working towards a common goal of what actually happened. After all it was a long time ago and things are hard to find. That's why I asked for help in solving it and the response from most people has been exceptional and I'm amazed at the talent and very pleased and I've also thanked everyone when they help.

It was nothing more than that. I think some people are spoiling for a fight. Why?
I was looking forward to a conclusion but it looks as though I will have to bring it to a halt.

All because of people's nonsense and ego's ???? I haven't said anything to upset anyone.

I didn't think that you would take it the wrong way Sue. One of the last I thought.
What did I 'ever' say to put anyone offside?

If I get a few people to post and say close it down I will.

I thought everyone was enjoying it and the challenge.
Show me one initiated derogatory remark towards anyone and I'll close it now.





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Lanarkshire / Re: Gordon Blair - Mystery? or Not!
« on: Tuesday 18 April 17 08:33 BST (UK)  »
I earlier stated that I had 'seen' those names used with reference to a Gordon Blair.

Why do I see a shadow over head following me all the time.

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Lanarkshire / Re: Gordon Blair - Mystery? or Not!
« on: Tuesday 18 April 17 07:50 BST (UK)  »
I don't believe there ever was a 'James Gordon Blair'. He was just 'Gordon Blair' and he didn't change it for any deception at all and it's only to my knowledge and recollection used on two occasions. It may have been reprinted several times. It was a big 'initial' mistake by the Registrar.

His name was ?icol MacDougall. He was the registrar on the 1856 BC who has accidently in the absence of the father Gordon and only Jane Blair mother present, wrote the childs name Blair on top, James Gordon underneath correct. Filled in date & where born & time and went onto the father and wrote James Gordon on top and Blair underneath. Still had the name on his mind.

Then comes the slight blunder by either Jane herself or Mr.MacDougall. Could Jane read or write?? as one of them has started with a capital 'N'? maybe? and rewrote Blair over it. Maybe I now think the registrar, as he had just written Norvel as his last word in that column and went up to the next line next column.

14 Months later they're back again to register Thomas Gordon Blair. This time Gordon is present and when it comes to writing the father's name he remembers them or Jane from the previous birth, as he also remembers things didn't go well as young James Gordon Blair died after a month and he was most probably the registrar for that event. [no evidence, supposition by me] .... because now Mr.MacDougall is still the registrar.

It appears to me when the father has to sign on Thomas' BC he signed Gordon Blair because that was his name. Later the registrar then most likely saw what Gordon had written and instead of making a complete mess of the document and or not be embarrassed squeezed in a 'J' as there is no room for 'James' which he thought was his name anyway as he had written it as he knew it at least twice before.

If your name was James Gordon, why would you call yourself Gordon and sign Gordon.
This is the only time I have seen him as 'James Gordon Blair' on Mr.MacDougall's 2 BC of his son's.

In 1855 on daughter Jane's BC he is Gordon Blair and signs Gordon Blair ... different registrar!! and earlier, but they're living close by in the same area 18 months earlier.

I'll stand corrected if someone can come up with a James Gordon Blair connected with the children of Jane Norval or anything else. There are 147 James Blair and 4 with Gordon with another forename and Blair on SP between 1820-1840. No James Gordon or Gordon James even.

The Blairs' certainly tried to call 2 children James only because of a death. Jane had a brother James who was a witness at the birth of Georgina Lorimer Blair. Maybe the James came from her side.
Look at their male children's names - they all had 'Gordon' in them. When Gordon married Julia Droughton the 1st male was Henry Gordon and then James William.

Distinct lack of any 'John' by Gordon which has him as his father on Gordon's DC. Maybe didn't get on with him. ?

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Lanarkshire / Re: Gordon Blair - Mystery? or Not!
« on: Tuesday 18 April 17 02:35 BST (UK)  »
Birth information Blair - Norval children and some timeline:

Marriage 7 June 1850. OPR - Gordon Blair clerk in Glasgow & Jane Norval residing there.

Georgina Lorimer Blair born 15 Nov 1850. OPR - Gordon Blair clerk 18 Clyde st Calton & Jane Norval
                                         had a lawful daughter 1st child. witnesses Thomas Scot, James Norval.

Census 1851 7 April - Gordon Blair - Head - M - 23 solicitor's clerk Stirlingshire - St.Ninians
                                       Jane Blair - Wife - M - 21 Lanarkshire - Glasgow
                                       Georgina - dau - 4 m  - Lanarkshire - Glasgow       

Unnamed child boy born 10 July 1852 - [F] Gordon Blair [M] Jane Norval - from FamilySearch.

James Gordon Blair born 13 Dec 1853. OPR - [F] Gordon Blair [M] Jane Norval - only document I
                                        could find was unreadable. Transcript only.

Jane Blair born 15 Jan 1855 - 116 Thistle st. Gordon Blair - clerk - 26 yrs Stirling - 1 female living
                                        3 boys [unreadable] Jane Blair MS Norval - Informant Gordon Blair ...
                                        and it looks as though he 'signed' it that way even though faint.

James Gordon Blair born 10 July 1856 - 4 Wellcroft Place Glasgow - James Gordon Blair writer - this
                                        is the 1st use of 'writer'. Jane Blair MS Norval. She is the informant and
                                        mother and it appears as though it could be her signature? not 100%
                                        certain but 'Blair' may have started as 'N' and overwritten by a 'B'.
                                        Her mistake? Also 1st use of 'James' was it a registrar mistake?

Thomas Gordon Blair born 27 Sep 1857 - 8 Crawford st. Glasgow. James Gordon Blair writer - Jane
                                       Blair MS Norval. Informant - J Gordon Blair father and it's looking much 
                                       like a signature but ... it appears that the 'J' has been squeezed in later.                             







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Lanarkshire / Re: Gordon Blair - Mystery? or Not!
« on: Sunday 16 April 17 06:54 BST (UK)  »
I've just spent many hours searching through Glasgow Directories from 1852-1858 the period just after Gordon's marriage to Janet and through to their last child's birth.

All of the birth places listed are essentially in the same area but Gordon & Janet Blair aren't listed as such in those area's at all or anywhere nearby even. 18 Clyde St., is listed on 2 births and at that address in 1855-56 living there is a John Mitchell Merchant & shipowner, John Mitchell jnr Merchant, John Mitchell jnr Ottoman & Portuguese Vice Consul.

A 'John Blair' is there at 55 Clyde Place Tradeston and Tradeston is where 2 other births are listed and he is a Wine & Spirit Merchant and from at least 1852-58 that I found. Is he related to Gordon? and was Gordon living there? In 1851 on the Census Gordon was at 18 Clyde St. as a Solicitor's clerk. What was 18 Clyde St.? A solicitor's Office and or a Portuguese Consul address?

I found 4 Wellcroft Place on an old map and it's close by a few blocks. So they lived there as well.
The only Blair listed in that area was a Mrs. Blair at 18 Russell St., is that where Jane and Gordon lived? why not is it listed as Gordon and or Jane Blair if it is.?

Weird to me and I wonder why? Everytime I needed to find someone in the Scottish directories I have found them. Why not the Blairs. They are certainly well hidden.



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Lanarkshire / Re: Gordon Blair - Mystery? or Not!
« on: Thursday 13 April 17 05:15 BST (UK)  »
I have too much information in my head so I need a helper.

Anytime I can give my brain a rest it appreciates it.

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Lanarkshire / Re: Gordon Blair - Mystery? or Not!
« on: Thursday 13 April 17 04:58 BST (UK)  »
Been meaning to send everyone this link for time and dates.

It's brilliant for finding what day of the week it was that an event happened
if you just type in any date. Very handy when doing Ancestry - for me anyway.

https://www.timeanddate.com

and also http://www.thetimenow.com which is better for those with sight impairments

It also has date calculation if you want to add or subtract a time period
from dates even before 1900 which excel spreadsheets don't calculate.

I'm not sponsored by them. It's just great. :)

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Lanarkshire / Re: Gordon Blair - Mystery? or Not!
« on: Thursday 13 April 17 04:47 BST (UK)  »
If anyone finds the 1863 BC of Elizabeth's birth.

If those two signatures are from Gordon Blair then he has filled
out everyone else's birth's on the sheet and taken up a new vocation.

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Lanarkshire / Re: Gordon Blair - Mystery? or Not!
« on: Thursday 13 April 17 04:40 BST (UK)  »
Is that now a 4th Marriage date/year we now have for Gordon Blair & Julie Droughton?

1862, 1863, 1864 & 1876. ??

If so the answer's a pineapple.

Can't wait to hear back from the churches. Has that been two days of waiting now?

In my little dog's time it is.  :)

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