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Travelling People / Re: Wilsher blood line, Nottingham, Joseph Wilsher
« on: Saturday 27 February 21 21:05 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Jane  do you remember Ramona your relation from the Prices of Wales yet she as the European Gipsies in her Family, I will not speak of their names for you say you are now both living in Canada, i am sure Ramona wrote to me about ten years back, now I just found I am dna related to a Romona, the Ramona who is my long Cousin may not be the same Romona from Canada, isn't life strange how names come up, the Ramona who is my dna Cousin as much of that Indian dna that i thought the first Romona must have, would you ask Ramona to see if she connects to me through  Ancestry



Travelling People / Re: Wilsher blood line, Nottingham, Joseph Wilsher
« on: Saturday 27 February 21 08:59 GMT (UK)  »
  Hi Kazi

I just wanted to say about the Booths to confirm to you what I meant, there are Booths down the South connected to the Coopers who I match to in old d.n.a but I was talking about these Booths below, they are from up my way, I have found you need long arms when researching the Gipsy's of old, long outstretched arms, everyone is connected to everyone, will the truth ever be wrote will the truth ever be found, its all there though, I myself look for answers regarding Family's of old some look for identity some long for such things, some search for an answer in a word that is wrote as name, some go all in and make society's of a kind that a passport of one kind or another is needed to join such an illustrious crew and board the good ship Beagle, I wonder at times what do people think and why do they think that way, then I stop wondering and just go back to wandering in my own thoughts and finding the answers that come freely

 Hope Booth 1911-1958 r.i.p    who's parents were
Ephraim Booth 1884–1963 and Matilda Sheriff 1886– 

 Ephraim Booth  parents were
Henry Booth 1864 - and  Elizabeth Boyling 1864–1950

Henry Booths parents were 

Ephraim Clayton/Booth
1841–1910 and Diana/Dinah Booth 1836–

 Elizabeth Boyling
1864–1950 parents were Absalom  Boyling1816 -  and Rebecca Booth 1823–1888

Now back to Hope Booth 1911-1958     Matilda Sheriff 1886– 

Matilda's  parents are

Hope Sheriff 1855–1934 and Trinity Boyling 1860-1937

Hope Sheriffs  parents were 

William Sheriff
1812–1891 and Mary Ann Tracey Boswell 1805–1897

Aka Tresi Boss descended from Haniel Bosswell Gypsy King 1583
Trinity Boyling 1860-1937 parents
were also Absalom  Boyling 1816-  and Rebecca Booth 1823–1888

The  person born from Hope Booth 1911-1958  who i d.n.a match to is also descended on the other side of their Family tree to  Nellie Smith 1911- down from William then George then Henry 1820-1900 i am not sure if these Smiths are of the Gipsy's for i don't know enough about the bigger picture of such things, there are names like Wildgoose on this side of the tree to that like all the other names go back well into the 1700s these to if they are from the Gipsy's would inter relate through Family connections i have no doubt in that for from my own research in seeing how my many hundreds of matches inter relate over hundreds of years, of course there are dominant lines that are plainly evedent in my own d.n.a that spans most  if not all family names in the clusters that appear yet these to will just be apart of the one true line that is the great Gipsy Family of the lands we call home and not forgetting the Americans for I have picked up the descendants of Gipsy's like Frampton Young who I match to in this day from America i can see through d.n.a how i myself match to these Young's from America and then i rematch to their ancestors in England, also in this day so all these long gone American Gipsy's link back to the one big Family, the Booth match in this instance seems to have done a great amount of research, I may have got the odd thing wrong for i have gone over things a few times and still get a date wrong but i think now i have wrote this right but if i have wrote evan a single thing incorrect just put that down to my own ways of being not that good at such things, also we share 21 named d.n.a matches well known names among them the Lovells join this cluster along with the Bucklands Grays Whartons Lees Youngs Smiths and more, so now look at this great web site that i am sure you have already seen constructed by a very passionate researcher who must have done years of looking for the words she as wrote in this link below, a very good easy read and the Booths are mentioned along with the Sheriffs who play a major part in the story of this persons Family, I also have a d.n.a match to a Hodgkin's who shares Gipsy named d.n.a matches also with me, they to are also mentioned in the link below.
Kazi I will write back to you about George Gipsy Smith from Nottingham who's story entwines with the Wilshers, thank you again for helping me in my research i hope i may also be able to help you 


Travelling People / Re: Wilsher blood line, Nottingham, Joseph Wilsher
« on: Thursday 25 February 21 18:46 GMT (UK)  »
Helo Kazi

   I do hope you are well and life treating you fine, once again thank you for the time you have gave in researching and sharing the old records and times of the people we are both trying to find and understand in our own way, i do appreciate the times you have wrote regarding research material, i will look into your writing several times and think on such words that you have wrote, i am being honest with you when i say thank you for writing and more people should follow your example, in a good world this would be a natural way, for when people come on to forums like Rootschat and read the writings by such people as yourself well it will give them guidance and confidence to search in a free and open friendly way as your fine self does, well done and i think you are a fine example to everyone in just trying in the way you do, i have listened every time you have wrote and taken everything in, to be truthfull to offten everything seems sometimes like i am spinning in the clouds surrounded by everything, there is at times so many things to think about, i do though look forwards to reading all writings that help me to understand the bigger picture, at times to everything just seems to come together and the true picture starts to appear, i hope you realise i truly am grateful for the times you have wrote about the things that are a great interest to me, thank you again Kazi i will think of you much when i look back on these reactions with members on Rootschat and i will never forget how you gave you own time to help others.

Just on a side note are you related in your Family tree to Hope Booth from the Booth and Sheriff Family's who also are related to the Boylings Claytons Smiths Boss and Boswells and people like the Blewits for one of Hope Booths children are related to me through d.n.a on Ancestry, they say i must share a far of common ancestor from long ago with them Booths it may have began with one of the other names wed with the Booths but in this day me and the Booths related to Hope share old d.n.a if i remember the free bits on the Booths tree Hope Sheriff is before Hope Booth, thank you again for being kind enough to write, the information regarding the Smiths around Nottingham is of great interest to me and i will read your words many times thank you Kazi, take care from michael

Travelling People / Re: Hurn Herons Hearns Youngs
« on: Saturday 20 February 21 21:53 GMT (UK)  »

 I am trying to locate the Heron tree that is offten wrote about i have seen it on-line several times in different formats, i am d.n.a related to a Heron Lady in this day who was born from the people below i have at present found over three hundred Gipsy related match's in my d.n.a that all hold clues if you take the time to read into them, this Lady who was born a Heron shares with me over eighty d.n.a related match's with other people who all are in or from the Gipsy Family as a whole it covers the whole range of my ancestry as regards the cousin sequence from first to eighth i wish to see how these people below join up to the wider  Boswell and Heron trees, i know there are these Boswell lines that have been the topic of much conversation and research over many years by literally everyone who dips their foot into the vast ocean of genealogy to quote a noted researcher who wrote to me long ago "they have been done to death" truthfully i have several Boswell d.n.a ancestral connection's that spans the globe and unlike the called lines i think and know through researching my own unique d.n.a to me that all the clusters interlink through the mingling of family's as a whole there is no such thing as a distink line, you can make a family look that way by writing in a format that may confuse the natural evolution to the learning's of a persons mind and hoodwink generations into a false belief that a mirage is a actual scene, truthfull a mirage is an actual scene yet is it no more than a Shakespearean wordplay that went on to rock the literal world true the mirage is in front of you so it is true yet to look beyond that which your eyes see is the focus that should and is sort by myself, so in this family below that connects to me and over eighty of my d.n.a match's that span the full range of the Gipsy's like the Lovell's Bucklands Lees and Smith of the well known names that are interspersed throughout my d.n.a in clusters and also names unknown yet they to contain all the noted peoples and family's that are wrote about throughout the history's of the written times of the people known to us in these lands as the Gipsy's, in this Heron family below i find them to be a kind of Mother ship that may be through my own personal d.n.a research well they could turn out to be proof that these family's that cross the cluster sequence and interlink several cluster are a founding family in Britain that then went also across the globe as my own d.n.a shows, there will be several of these founding family's i am sure if a person looks into their d.n.a in an honest manner they will evolve honest thought, you do not have to wring something dry to extract that which you seek, just look at history in whatever tapestry and see beyond the mirage i think there was founding family's and maybe only a few that contained clusters that roamed Europe by looking for founding family's in your d.n.a the way i do you may be able to get closer to these Europeans who themselves came out of older clusters from lands further afield, i am sure i am right in how i am researching my own genealogy through the cousin sequence in my d.n.a, if anyone can put up family trees of these people below i would be grateful, other people who hold far more cousin d.n.a that runs into the thousands may not be able to see through such a stocked yard, so by myself in being a person who is at the end of his line and also not noted in any way by the scholars of this day, for truthfully to i am bound to no man and kneel before no one, i could never sell myself out for the want of perage adulation never mind to cast my eyes to the strangers gaze in the hope of being loved, only a fool from the thought and times of long ago who chanced and danced around their local village to the drum beat of the jingled three pointed belled hat dofted from their low held head in admiration to their masters bidding and who then craved and longed for a crown that could never unfree the unchained yet the belled jingled tongue suited more their station in life in this day as also the past, it is far easier for the truth to appear in front of my own eyes, others may not see things but i tell the truth the Stanley's in my own d.n.a are also a interlinking founding cluster, this is only the truth that i have found at these present times you can see below how the Young's evolve out of the Herons in this tree, i have several Young's in my d.n.a in closer times than the Herons yet the Herons hold more family interlinking names than the Young's, to me this is evidence to which i have wrote of here, all you have to do is look with honest eyes


Clones Heron 1918–1973 r.i.p
came out of Amos Heron and Elsie Bosswell  Amos Heron came out of William Heron it is not shown on the free bits who Williams Mother and Father were, Elsie Bosswell came out of William Heron and Jane Boswell
no more is shown freely on this line, this is my dna match's Fathers line of descent, on the Mothers line it starts with Edith Pattison
1928–2011 r.i.p who came out of a male who's name is just shown as private, her Mother was Martha Young, the unknown male came out of Helen Welch and Thomas Pattison, Martha Young came out of  Rhoda Boswell and Noah Heron, no more is shown on this tree, i could write to my dna Cousin match but i do not really do that kind of thing, i just like to learn of things in my own way 

Travelling People / Re: Wilsher blood line, Nottingham, Joseph Wilsher
« on: Sunday 07 February 21 07:24 GMT (UK)  »
 Hi Jane
I received another distant Cousin match that I have been trying to learn from it looks like their last name is the Montague's (Buckingham Montague) the person who is stated as a long far cousin to me is male and at a first glance a person would think such a name may not be related to the Gipsy's of old, this Montague gives nothing away in their profile that they let you see yet if you click onto who you both share dna with seven names come up, all seven are of the Gipsy's, Ancestry says they are in the  fourth cousin Column in a the 4th–6th Cousin  range at a long shot they say some could go as high as a third cousin to be truthful I do not understand what they are telling me, I think in my own mind cousins related through old connection's may come from a sideways longshot that may be closer than a straight back the line as in how we all think of genealogy, this to may reverse itself, anyway the (Buckingham Montague) is dna related to two Smith Lady's a Clayton a male Pearce a female Crabtree a male Davies and a female Byrne all these seven are stated as dna related to me and they all have many shared match's with me in clusters of several Gipsy names from the past, I do not share a single none Gipsy link with any of these dna matches, through learning this way I know Ancestry are on to a truth for if I look through the many dna links on my Fathers line they are straight from Irelands lands of Green they do not interlink with my cousin dna links from my Mothers side, I do not know how Ancestry know such things but they must be on to something, well these seven dna matches that me and Montague share as many connecting dna Gipsy related dna match links there is not a single crossover to the other clusters like I have found that do not hold a single name or link with the Gipsy's, so Montague is related to the Davies man and I am related to him to yet when I click on his profile he does not give much away unless you write to him, but the man Davies does not hide his dna links that is the same as mine and we now share twenty seven dna cousin matches so you can see there is dna left between us both, we both now share dna of people named Bailey Gray Young Stanley Jeffery and big Jack is back with is massive dna names of old infact all twenty seven same dna links are massive in the names they hold like the great Smiths but back to Montague from the long cousin link and this now is where I am searching for an answer.

In short Montague keeps his powder dry yet his back is not to the wall for I see all our shared dna, one is the person known as Byrne a Lady at that, now she lets me see that she is indeed from the Davies like the Davies above they both share many Gipsy dna links through Family names with me whether this is backways or sideways I do not know, well look at Byrne ancestor's straight down the line solid Davies on both sides theirs Wisdom's on both her Fathers side and her Mothers side and a few Cornelius Davies and evan a Cornelius Stephens who weds cinnamenta smith-1880–1965 and what about one legged Aaron Smith 1788–1859, and theirs Locke's to and the Lees, theres many more but what I would like to learn about is why is it stated on Bryn's Family tree that Mizzeley Davis weds Cornelius Jame's Davies and that Mizzeley Mother and Father were Mizzeley Harrison and W.H. Davies.

Now this is the great bit for remember when I said only the links in shared dna show up from the sixth to first in the cousin range as in shared dna, well that's why the older ones hold more clues they may be older and the amount of dna less but all cousins are cousins so now I find a long cousin link in the far range that they call distant right at the end of Ancestry's knowledge in this day they name it as 5th–8th Cousin this is someone who must live over a mountain and out of sight, but their voice Carry's through the canyon and I still hear it, now this male far cousin of mine is named Wisdom as in his first name I will not tell you his last name for I do not think you can do that, anyway back to Mizzeley Davis who weds Cornelius Jame's Davies and Mizzeley Mother and Father were Mizzeley Harrison and W.H. Davies on Bryn's tree well now on Wisdom's tree Mizzeley Davis is down as being Mizzley Winter and she comes out of the Winters not the Harrisons or Davies it just says Winter it's the same people yet different names, I am dna related to the Winters to, I try to understand about all theses names Ancestry send me, as in what does it all meen, in real truth, it was easier when my Mother said we were related to the Holmes and the Smiths, and I have received more dna matches linking me to the European Gipsy's that Ancestry say I have dna with, two more popped up that's about five now, the Davies I think are from the South near the Wales way and Wisdom is from Dudley Staffordshire, i have more Davies dna matches to and more Smiths, I do wonder about things, I don't evan have a tree, to be truthful I don't evan know who is who, people have showed me things from the census records but are they accurate, just imagine if the censuses are wrong, it only takes one mistake or falseness and  everythings a lie, thank you again for putting up the photos about your relatives, take care.
michael x


Travelling People / Re: Wilsher blood line, Nottingham, Joseph Wilsher
« on: Tuesday 26 January 21 20:24 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Jane

Thank you again for putting up the photos, thank you for showing them, I like to learn of the past Peoples and show them the greatest respect the Deadmans are indeed a great Gipsy Family I have been lucky to learn of them and will never forget them, you said you are related through Family ties with the Winter Family also, well I found that report that showed they were together in that article I put up a few pages back, now do you remember where Roy Deadman was living at Ruseley, well look who's living there also in the same timescale in the article below, I do not know what you may find of such things, i may have seen things wrong but there must be an answer

Friday 18 April 1958
 Lichfield Mercury

 ………Before the court was Andrew Winters. of no fixed abode, who denied driving the van whilst under the influence of drink and assaulting a policeman. The Magistrates found the case proved, and Winters was ordered to pay £2O with 9s. costs.

Saturday 19 January 1957
 Rugeley Times

Crowd gathered when men fought in the Market Square Two men who were seen by a police-constable fighting in the Market Square........ on Thursday charged with disorderly behaviour. Raymond Jones (23), of 63, Michael's Road, Brereton, and Andrew Winters (3O), of Alma Dene. Garden Drive, Ruseley, admitted the offence......... 

This below is the report showing the same address, its maybe a coincidence but its worth looking at.

Saturday 20 September 1958
 Rugeley Times

 Horse dealer who became a salesman The death occurred on Tuesday of Mr. Roy Deadman. of Alma Dene. Garden Drive, Rugeley. Mr. Deadman, who was 71, was well known in the town. In his younger days he was like his father and grandfather before him, a horse dealer.

I showed you one of these but by looking for more reports you conbine them all together and a bigger picture comes to be known

Saturday 21 June 1856
  Leicestershire Mercury

Births, Marriages, and Deaths.
On the 16th inst., at Melton Mowbray, Mr. Doriah Deadman, of the Staffordshire Potteries, to Sarah Smith, of Melton

Saturday 04 October 1856
  Leicester Chronicle

— On the 30th ult, of small pox, aged 25, Sarah Deadman. Deceased, a gipsy, had only been married three months.

Thursday 09 October 1856
   Nottinghamshire Guardian

also, on the 30th, aged 25, Sarah, wife of Mr. Doriah Deadman. 

I just put these small extracs on for there are many with more information in to read, I just like to learn everything, I think these maybe are the Deadmans we talk about but I could be wrong

Friday 01 February 1952
  Staffordshire Advertiser

CARPETS CARPETS CARPETS GREAT ONE DAY SALE THURSDAY NEXT. FEBRUARY 5th. 10-30 to 4-30 THREE TUNS. GAOLGATE STREET, STAFFORD CARPETS : RUGS : Axminster, Wilton, Belgium, Italian and Velvet Pile Special Offer of 5 Top-grade Indian Carpets, We supply the CHEAPEST CARPETS in the MIDLANDS, so buy today and save pounds tomorrow Some of the Goods are Slighty Soiled and will be at Deadman, London Road. Derby. 

 Friday 20 March 1953
   Ripley and Heanor News and Ilkeston Division Free Press

    T. and S. Deadman. Rugby Street, Off London Road, Derby. ...

 Saturday 27 November 1954
  Stapleford & Sandiacre News

 TO-DAY to save Pounds To-morrow SALE ON SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 27 From 10.30 a.m. to 4.30 p.m., at THE ZION HALL, LONG EATON R DEADMAN, London Road. Derby. Licence No. NI.A7...

Friday 09 September 1955
  Ripley and Heanor News and Ilkeston Division Free Press

CARPETS! GREAT Clearance Sale OF CARPETS, RUGS AND STAIR CARPETS In all makes and sizes. At the METHODIST CHURCH HALL, NOTTINGHAM ROAD, ALFRETON. On FRIDAY, SEPT. 16th, 10 to 4 p.m. R. DEADMAN 2, New Park Street, Leicester. 

I found a few more reports I hope they maybe of help to you
Wednesday 27 February 1963
  Leicester Evening Mail

  Dealer found dead at Markfield A CARAVAN dweller. Mr. William Elliott 49. general dealer. was found hanging dead in a tree at Markfleld yesterday. Mr. Elliott had been missing from his caravan for several hours and when he was found a search for him was in progress. His body was discovered by Mr. James Deadman away fram his caravan............... on land attached to Thrustle Bush Farm………………. 

Wednesday 02 October 1963
  Leicester Evening Mail

while the police were dealing with a road accident at Coalville .............and eventually struck one of the officers, was fined at Coalville. He is James Deadman 22, a lorry driver, who pleaded guilty to assaulting a policeman in the execution of his duty and also to causing damage to windows in a cell at  Coalville police station.   In a separate case. Deadman said to live in a caravan…………………   

Thany you again for all the photos you put on and the words you have spoken i will try and see if i can find other things that may be of help to you .......from michael x

Travelling People / Re: Wilsher blood line, Nottingham, Joseph Wilsher
« on: Sunday 24 January 21 08:47 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Jane
They are great photos you put up on the previous page, thank you for showing them, thank you very much, the Lady on the first one has the Eyes of the Smiths from my way, Jane Smith said we was long Cousins, she told me this when we was young, she also had them deep ridge eyes, I may be looking at things wrong but I just thought I would tell you.       

I was looking on my d.n.a matches and a Lady came up as sharing d.n.a with me, her first name is Thelma she is related to many Gipsies its just I was looking for you to try and find answers to what I am finding out, its probably more for me really but you may learn somethings also, well me and Thelma are long Cousins they say from the olden times she has many of the old Family Gipsy names that are known of,  a very Rich history runs through the Gipsy Lady known as Thelma, well from the free bits that she lets me see well there is a Deadman Smith connection on one side of her tree, read this below to try and follow what I say, I was thinking it could be your Relatives, it could be Annie wed to Jack from your photos that you put up on the previous page.

Annie Jane Deadman wed John / Jack Smith their Daughter was Sarah Sally Smith 1888 1941 she wed George Napolian Gray 1755 1939 their Daughter was Amelia Gray 1912 1991 George Napolian Grays Mother and Father were Elias Gray and Amelia Heron all this is on one side of Thelma's Family tree, if you look on the other side of her tree there is a Louisa Butler wed to a Samual Smith who went on to have a Son Samuel Smith 1873 1945 he wed Rhoda Smith 1872 1950 Rhoda's Mam and Dad was Sydney Smith and Fiansey Smith another set of Old Parents stems down from a fighting man by the look of him known as Orlando (Landor) Smith, if you follow this line down to today the Rodgersons who wed to these Smiths who then wed back to the Smiths who come down from the Smiths and Butlers all on Thelma's one line, the latest Rodgerson and Smiths then wed into the latest Thelma's other line Through the Grays right back to Deadman Heron Smiths, it sounds complicated but when your looking at it in a tree format its really quite easy to understand, also if i was reading right on the map on the same Cousin d.n.a to me is  names of other Deadmans from the South.

William Deadman
Baptised : Rodmell, Sussex

Richard Dedman
Rodmell, Sussex

 I just wanted to show you these litle reports below, when i trawl through thousands of reports i find things of interest, i also i find vast amounts of general information, offten about the Gipsy Family's as a whole, offten to i read of the histories of everything by mear chance, when i was looking for your relatives the Deadmans i also read many records that evan though they were unconnected to the research i was doing well i still found they educated me in the histories of life these below are just a few that i found why i was trying my best to help you, i hope you to enjoy researching as much as i do

Thursday 12 July 1917

  A GIPSY'S FIRE. Fiance Penfold, of no fixed address, was charged with making a fire within 50 feet of the centre of the Highway at Deadman's Grave, in the parish of Sancreed, 15th June. P.S. Mitchell 

Monday 18 May 1789
  Reading Mercury

Whereas  I Lydia Deadman, wife of James Deadman labourer, of Tadley, did wilfully and maliciously scandalize the said Jon Kimber, basket maker of Tadley aforesaid, on the 16th of April last and several other times prejudice his character, which I the said Lydia Deadman do acknowledge myself to be a lying, false, scandalous and promise never to scandalize the said Jon Kimber, or any his family any more, under the penalty of five pounds.The mark X of Lydia Deadman.

Tuesday 19 November 1839
 Morning Post

 EXTENSIVE EXHXUMAIATION OF HUMAN BONES.-For the last few days much curiosity has been excited in the neighbourhood of Old Brentford in consequence of the discovery of a large quantity of human bones in an extraordinary state of preservation, as was also the hair. The spot, it is said by some of the inhabitants, used formerly to be called Deadmen's Graves, and there is a tradition extant in the town that during the great plague in London a female called Moll Ransom used to drive a cart on which she sat, through the streets, crying Bring out your dead; that she brought down hundreds of bodies, which were interred in heaps in the ground in question Information of the  finding of the bones has been forwarded to Mr. Wakley, the coroner, but it is not supposed he will consider it necessary to hold an inquest.

 And this one below is of great interest for i never have known of Gipsies named Gentle so then i just chansed on this report below then did a d.n.a direct search and no matches came up, then i did a related match search meening if any of my direct d.n.a matches had a Family named Gentle then this would show up, so i clicked on all my d.n.a matches to see if any had the Gentle Family in their tree and guess who came up, just two, one was you, and the other Thelma from above, how mad is that

Saturday 12 December 1863
 Hereford Times

  Wednesday.—Before the Rev. James Davies. Obstructing the Highway. William Gentle, licensed hawker and owner of one of those large caravans carrying profusion of brushes, brooms, and variety of other articles, was charged 

Travelling People / Re: Wilsher blood line, Nottingham, Joseph Wilsher
« on: Saturday 23 January 21 13:59 GMT (UK)  »
Tuesday 24 January 1905
   Leeds Mercury


Three hawkers, named Ambrose Burnside, Benjamin Burnside, and Jack Wiltshire, were summond  by Mrs. Kate Kirkgate, at the Huddersfield Borough Court yesterdny, for doing malicions damage; It wats started that on the 17th the defendants went to the complainant house, and were not admitted. After threatening to ‘break up the happy home they threw stones  through the windows, damaging pots, vases, table, and breaking a paraffin lamp, which set fire to the blinds. The magistrates dismissed the case against Ambrose Burnside, and ordered the other two defendants to pay 28s. each. Wiltshire was also fined 19s., including costs, for having assaulted Mrs.Bottomley.

 Hi Jane
  I have tried to find your relatives on your Dads side, the Deadmans being the Gipsies you speak of, I hope some of the storys may help you in your research, try and look out for names and locations and names of Public Houses then research these, I will put a few more things on for you then leave it there, I just put on the Wiltshire man with the Burnsides to show you the Wiltshires Wilsher Wilshaw of your Dads side then the Burnsides of your Mothers side, well to show you how everyone knows everyone in all kinds of links through the storys of history and Families.
If some of the storys I may of got wrong as in you do not recognise them well that’s my own honest mistake, try and signe up to the  British Newspaper Archives if you can, its the best site on the internet and it only costs a few pounds to find millions of records, it is a must for all people, a real game changer, you get three free goes by just signing up.

 I know you may have done this already and evan read everything before its just I wanted to help you just in the chance you may not of seen one or two of the Older Gipsy Deadmans from reading of their lifes they are a great Family indeed.


Travelling People / Re: Wilsher blood line, Nottingham, Joseph Wilsher
« on: Saturday 23 January 21 13:58 GMT (UK)  »
  Saturday 13 January 1962
    Rugeley Times

Scrap dealer had no licence for pick-up truck
  A Walsall scrap dealer, whose address was given as rear of Coach and Horses. Abbots Bromley. was fined £2, with  £4 3s. costa, at Walsall Magistrates Court on Friday. for having no carriers' licence for his pick-up truck. He is Joseph ....... and he admitted the , offence. Mr. E. Smith, Walsall traffic inspector stated that he saw the man driving a pick-up truck on the Birmingham Road towards ' the town centre, and  that there was no licence disc on the window Mr. A. Oliver. traffic inspector, of Burton-on-Trent. stated that when he told ....... that he would be reported for the offence, he replied: I did not realise I had I to have a carrier's licence. My brother told me that so long as I was carrying my own goods I need not have one.' In a letter to the court. defendant said he had not since used the van, but had got the necessary forms and was going to fill them in and get a licence as soon as  he had the necessary money.

 Saturday 19 June 1965
  Rugeley Times


Wednesday 18 February 1987
  Derby Daily Telegraph


... planning permission. Planning consultant Mr Christopher Beresford-Webb, for Mr ......., said………………
 Monday 23 February 1987
  Derby Daily Telegraph


A GIPSY's dream of having his own caravan site near his council house could be blocked because the land may be needed for a country park. Objectors have told a planning inquiry that gipsies should not be allowed to set up camp near the site which Derbyshire County Council has earmarked as a country park. Gipsy ....... gave up his travelling life and moved into 4 Forge Row, Ironville, near Alfreton two years ago. And he bought a piece of land nearby to use as a caravan site so his family could visit him. But when planners turned down the idea, Mr ....... carried on regardless. Amber Valley District Council then took enforcement  action The decision will be announced at a later date. …………...

Monday 20 July 1987
  Derby Daily Telegraph


  GIPSY ....... who gave up life on the road for the comforts of a council house has lost his fight to set up his own caravan site.  Mr Deadman, who bought a plot of land at Kennels Lane, Ironville, because he didn't want to lose touch with his travelling family, has had his hopes dashed by a Government inspector. He wanted his travelling son and daughter to be able to park their caravans on the land when visiting, but Amber Valley District Council rejected his plans and started enforcement action to keep him off. he lodged an appeal but now Department of the Environment……………. 

Wednesday 02 December 1992
  Staffordshire Sentinel

  Cut price carpets and super kitchens There is more to Cut Price Carpets than meets the eye. After 15 years building up an enviable reputation in Leek and surrounding areas, proprietor ....... has expanded his extensive carpet showroom to include fitted kitchens and bedrooms. Said ....... nowadays we find our customers are more and more discerning when it comes to value for money and it seemed a natural progression to go from carpets to kitchens and bedrooms....

  Cobbles Mr ....... aged 42, who runs a carpet business from Bodkin Court pumped in    his own money with further cash provided by the Moorlands Towns Partnership project. The courtyard cobbles were lifted. cleaned and relaid. Ornate 'arts and crafts-style' gales were provided     
Royal oaks for Moorlands Queen. A run down corner of Leek  has been restored under a major initiative to upgrade the town. For decades Bodkin Court. off Stanley Street, has served as a shortcut between the town centre and Brook Street. But its neglected buildings and uneven stone cobbles made it look scruffy and unattractive. Now the area has been transformed into an elegant  Victorian courtyard in a partnership project between  businessman Mr ....... and conservation workers Ceremony The finished courtyard was officially reopened with a ribbon-cutting ceremony performed by Leek town Mayor Judith Rider. Mrs Rider said she was delighted with the success of the scheme. She added: I hope it will inspire other property owners to come forward with their own enhancement schemes. The Moorlands Towns Partnership is jointly funded by English Heritage, Staffordshire Moorlands District Council and Leek Town Council. As well as refurbishment  projects in Leek town centre, grants have also been provided for a variety of schemes, including improvements to unsympathetic including improvements to unsympathetic shopfronts and repairs to historic buildings. A workman installs one of the bollards and 18th century railings repaired and repainted. The carpet warehouse was fully refurbished, including the installation of a kitchen, new toilets and other features.


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