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I can't find any traces beyond the 1911 census for four siblings born between 1899 and 1910.  I easily found their births and baptisms, and the deaths of their parents in 1932 and 1941.

I seem to have found a possible family link, with a few members of two generations of this family, emigrating to Quebec, Montreal, via Liverpool.  I could have totally the wrong person, but Ethel Greenwood born October 1902 Woolley Bridge, Cheshire, parents Thomas 1874-1932 and Martha 1873-1941 might have been the same person I found who sailed to Quebec from Liverpool on 10th June 1932, and returned on 16th September 1932 with her 2 year old daughter.  They give their last address in the UK as Warrington, and her job as "household duties".

Her aunt, Mary Ellen Greenwood, born 1870 in Salford may also be the same person who travelled to Quebec via Liverpool in 1893 and 1920.

Two generations of this family, which includes many people, totally disappear from the UK records.  The younger generation, the four children of Thomas and Martha Greenwood, are easily found in the 1911 census in Glossop, Derbyshire, but absolutely nothing after that.  The older generation, Thomas Greenwood's siblings, also disappear.  One sibling I can find nothing about is Mary Frances Greenwood, born 1876 in Broadbottom, Cheshire, who appears on the 1891 census as daughter, single, age 15, Jack Frame Tenter Cotton, living at Earnshaw Street, Hollingworth.  I remember being told that she worked as a servant at one time.  I am wondering if she travelled to Quebec, Canada initially with the family she worked as a servant for.

It seems so odd that two generations of a family who were previously very easy to find on all the records just seem to disappear. 

As I just asked in a reply to somebody else on this forum, I am trying to find out about my great, great, great grandmother Cathan Mathews.  Her daughter Bridget Ward was baptised on 15th June 1823 in Kilsaran, Louth, Ireland, according to the Catholic Parish Registers 1809-1826.  Spouse James Ward, child Bridget Ward.

I haven't been able to find out much about my great, great grandmother Bridget Ward, other than her marriage to my great, great grandfather Thomas Greenwood in Manchester in 1846, and the birth of my great grandfather Hiram Greenwood in Manchester in 1846, and they are all on the 1851 census living in Manchester with Bridget's half brother and sister, Betsy Ward, born 1828 Ireland, and John Ward, born 1837 Ireland.  (Somebody on another thread on this forum a long time ago said in passing that they were Bridget's half siblings).

The family can't be found on the 1861 census, and I have no further trace of either Bridget or Thomas Greenwood, or of Betsy and John Ward, but Hiram re-appears on the 1871 census living in Salford with his Irish (Dublin) born wife Mary Ann (Roche, 1848-1900) and two infant daughters. Hiram's first child Rebecca was born in 1868 in Salford, and his second child Mary Ellen in 1870 in Salford.

I wonder if the whole family went back to Ireland, which is why they were not on the English 1861 census.  Also, I wonder if Bridget and Thomas stayed in Ireland?

It looks as though Cathan Mathews might have died some time between 1823 when Bridget was born and 1828 when Betsy Ward was born, and James Ward might have re-married during that time, possibly in Kilsaran, Louth.

My stab at it

Thomas Greenwood
of ??
who died April 21st 1878, Aged ?? years
Also of Sarah A. Relict of the above
who died March ?? 18?(8)3
Aged 7? (9) years
Also of    (Jane, Daughter of above)
who died ?? (Sepr) ?
Aged ??  years

()  is a guess

Have you tried to contact the owner of the photo to ask if they could take a closer look at the original photo?

Sorry about the icons I haven't put them in they have appeared as I've used more than one ?

Good Luck!

Cancan

Thanks.  Greenwood is such a common name in that area, and the name Sarah doesn't connect with my family, so I think chances are it isn't my great great grandfather.  It might be the same man whose advertisements selling farm machinery are frequent in the local newspapers of the time, and even then probably not.

Quote from: arthurk on Thursday 18 August 16 20:16 BST (UK)

I'm struggling to read this, but if it's at what Calderdale FHS describe as Charlestown Mount Olivet Baptist, a transcription can be found on their Memorial Inscriptions CD Set 2.

Just adding to my earlier message: anyone can search the Calderdale FHS database of about 750,000 names. Go to their site at http://www.cfhsweb.com/web/ and hover on Research, then pick Transcription Index in the dropdown menu.

Generally a brief summary of the data is provided free. Non-members are advised to buy a copy of the CD, but members can request a full transcription for no further charge. (This isn't automatic, but is dealt with by a friendly and helpful human being.) Depending on the level of membership, you may find this costs less than the CD.

(Disclosure of interest: I am a member of CFHS.)

Arthur

Thanks I will try that.

I know it says Thomas Greenwood, but I can't read any of the other writing to see if it mentions anyone else he is related to, or if it gives any other useful information.

https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=greenwood&GSfn=thomas&GSby=1819&GSbyrel=in&GSdy=1878&GSdyrel=in&GScntry=5&GSob=n&GRid=163300342&df=all&