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Lanarkshire / Re: KIRKHILL BURIAL GROUND - CAMBUSNETHAN PARISH
« on: Saturday 09 March 19 13:00 GMT (UK)  »
Ta again, if its really important to anyone, there were two Thomas Beatie/Beatties, both b Girvan -1813 and 1819. Lodger's date gives an approx. birth date in between. But the 1813 model has mother Esther, which clinches it for him.

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Lanarkshire / Re: KIRKHILL BURIAL GROUND - CAMBUSNETHAN PARISH
« on: Friday 08 March 19 23:16 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks for that. When he married in 1857 he was a coal miner. Sounds as though he was injured.
Last week was the first time I had ever set foot in Wishaw. I travel N-S-N at least one a year. Next time I shall make a point of stopping at the cemetery

I'm not really expecting an answer - What happened to Mary (Nicol/Bell/Beattie) ?

A little story - I worked in a factory making electric cable. We made miles of cable for the NCB - They had their own spec - NCB295 - which often involved extra armouring. Of course the orders gradually dried up in the 1990s
A few years later we started to get orders from China - to spec NCB295.

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Lanarkshire / Re: KIRKHILL BURIAL GROUND - CAMBUSNETHAN PARISH
« on: Friday 08 March 19 10:59 GMT (UK)  »
A wee bitty more, if of interest to anyone
Mary Nicol/Bell remarried in Cambusnethan in 1857 Thomas Beattie
Thomas was born Girvan along with Jean Sarah James John and William
Their father was James Beattie
Their mother was Esther McChesney who was b Ireland abt 1791
Mary already had a family of six, but went on to have two more children with her second husband
They were Thomas and James Beattie
Mary's first family of Bells appear to be scattered to the winds, other than her last child, Duncan jnr, who remained in Cambusnethan.
The one who became my great-granny, Catherine, pops up in Carnwath, but was back in Cambusbunethan to marry John Hutcheson in 1869
The story then moves on to Carluke

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Lanarkshire / Re: KIRKHILL BURIAL GROUND - CAMBUSNETHAN PARISH
« on: Thursday 07 March 19 10:11 GMT (UK)  »
Further - from another site -
http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Scotland/
Click on Poor Laws / Scotland / scroll down to 1845 poor law act - "able-bodied were exempt"

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Lanarkshire / Re: KIRKHILL BURIAL GROUND - CAMBUSNETHAN PARISH
« on: Wednesday 06 March 19 23:03 GMT (UK)  »
Quite, we will never know. But being family, I will make own note on our family tree that Mary held her head high, and 8 years later,at the age of 39, remarried and started a second family ( Beattie ) in Cambusnethan. Well done, granny's granny. And Duncan, the name Bell was remembered in the  family, and was the middle name of my aunt.
And thanks last weekend to the helpful staff in Wishaw library and Motherwell heritage centre.

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Lanarkshire / Re: KIRKHILL BURIAL GROUND - CAMBUSNETHAN PARISH
« on: Monday 25 February 19 20:47 GMT (UK)  »
Exactly

Mary may apparenly, but wrongly have been caught by having moved
She was b 1818 in Dalserf and was married there in 1930
By 1841 she was in Cambusnethan
Her children were born there 1842 to 1850 ( i.e. after Duncan's death, and inc the last one whom she named after his dead father, Duncan )
In 1851 she is in Wishaw

So at the time of Duncan's death in 1849 and her applying for relief, she was in Cambusnethan
It was Cambusnethan who rejected her applicatiion
And on 3rd Jan 1850, her case was considered by the Board of Supervision, and rejected.

I also did wonder if applying under her maiden name, Nichol, was a good idea

BUT from North Lanarkshire today -
I have spoken to my Archive colleagues.  They have searched their index to Poor Relief records but, unfortunately, could not find a match for Mary Bell/Nichol/Nicol.   There are very few entries in the Poor Relief index for the years around 1850.

Thanks for your inputs


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Lanarkshire / Re: KIRKHILL BURIAL GROUND - CAMBUSNETHAN PARISH
« on: Monday 25 February 19 10:39 GMT (UK)  »
 [ Thanks - to  me this kind of background information is often more interesting than just tracing your ancestry back ]

Mary had  been refused relief by Cambusnethan

The case then went to the Board of Supervision [ covering several parishes ]
The Board of Supervision was established under the 1845 Poor Law Act. One of its tasks was to hear appeals by paupers against inadequate poor relief granted by Parochial Boards. These appeals were recorded in the Board of Supervision minutes

Their minute of 3rd Jan 1849 states

.....the board declined to interfere the applicant not being in receipt of parochial relief

Another reason given for refusal ( not in this case ) is that the applicant is in the poorhouse

I would like to think that Mary had sufficient spunk to extricate herself from her situation by 1, being sufficiently young and able-bodied, and so escape the poorhouse,  2. getting her children into work, and 3. finding a new husband in 1857 - another coal miner !

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Lanarkshire / Re: KIRKHILL BURIAL GROUND - CAMBUSNETHAN PARISH
« on: Sunday 24 February 19 21:16 GMT (UK)  »
Of the two brothers, Donald was the elder, and born outside Lanarkshire, whereas Duncan was within.
I have tried looking at both births, but can't find a pair of parents in common.
The website of accidents makes grim reading, but the newspaper account of the Wishaw explosion states they are natives of Islay. Before I investigate that further I will be travelling through the area next weekend, and have allocated a day to give myself more background.
I will be trying to build up my knowledge of 'poor relief' Duncan's widow Mary was refused because she was not on tjhe paraochial roll. althouigh she was a pauper with 4 kids under 10, and another on the way.
It may be due to a change in the law, or the disruoption on the church, or simply that she had moved from Dalserf. If I find out more I'll post it.
I can understand that there are no graves, but I expected a memorial.

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Lanarkshire / Re: KIRKHILL BURIAL GROUND - CAMBUSNETHAN PARISH
« on: Sunday 24 February 19 08:58 GMT (UK)  »
 I'm interested in the BELL & GOURLIE headstone
ScotFamTed

Long shot, but would this include Donald and Duncan Bell, both killed in the 1849 explosion at Wishaw?

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