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Surrey Lookup Requests / Re: Looking for Ann Manning in Bermondsey ca 1818-ca 1880
« on: Friday 22 July 16 20:10 BST (UK) »
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Surrey Lookup Requests / Re: Looking for Ann Manning in Bermondsey ca 1818-ca 1880
« on: Friday 22 July 16 18:22 BST (UK) »
Hello all:
I am humbled and amazed by such a response from everyone. Here is what I know.
I only know of her father from her 2nd marriage certificate ("Peter Manning, dead" as carol8353 says. No mother.). There is a transcription of her first marriage certificate to Reuben Smith in Ancestry, Family Search and FindMyPast, but no facsimile. A facsimile would probably help a lot. Ancestry gives the source of the transcription as 8 microfilms that I might have to order from Salt Lake: they are not in my Toronto branch of the FHS.
The transcription only gives date, location and the names of the married couple (26 January, 1834 in St. Mary, Newington). She at 47 Gedling Street in 1841 with 2 kids, still there in 1851 with 7 kids.
Her 8th child was born in November 1856 and her husband Reuben died in 1857. She married William Rush at St. James Church, Bermondsey on October 1, 1860.
Still living at 47 Gedling in 1861 with profession of "laundress" and 1871 with profession as "(formerly) servant".
In 1881 William Rush is listed as widower, so Ann has died sometime between 1871 and 1881.
Her estimated birth year varies a little by census: 1817 (1841), 1815 (1851), 1817 (1861) and 1818 (1871). Ann was illiterate so may have lost track, but they are within a relatively narrow time period. The ~1809 possibility given by amondg seems a little early, but it is tantalizing given that the father of this Ann is Peter Manning and she was baptized at St. Mary Newington. It could be one of those occasions where a child died young and a later child was named for the earlier one.
Mabel's discovery of a sibling is very interesting because I don't know anything about them or even their existence. Where did you find the source?
thank you!
Richard
I am humbled and amazed by such a response from everyone. Here is what I know.
I only know of her father from her 2nd marriage certificate ("Peter Manning, dead" as carol8353 says. No mother.). There is a transcription of her first marriage certificate to Reuben Smith in Ancestry, Family Search and FindMyPast, but no facsimile. A facsimile would probably help a lot. Ancestry gives the source of the transcription as 8 microfilms that I might have to order from Salt Lake: they are not in my Toronto branch of the FHS.
The transcription only gives date, location and the names of the married couple (26 January, 1834 in St. Mary, Newington). She at 47 Gedling Street in 1841 with 2 kids, still there in 1851 with 7 kids.
Her 8th child was born in November 1856 and her husband Reuben died in 1857. She married William Rush at St. James Church, Bermondsey on October 1, 1860.
Still living at 47 Gedling in 1861 with profession of "laundress" and 1871 with profession as "(formerly) servant".
In 1881 William Rush is listed as widower, so Ann has died sometime between 1871 and 1881.
Her estimated birth year varies a little by census: 1817 (1841), 1815 (1851), 1817 (1861) and 1818 (1871). Ann was illiterate so may have lost track, but they are within a relatively narrow time period. The ~1809 possibility given by amondg seems a little early, but it is tantalizing given that the father of this Ann is Peter Manning and she was baptized at St. Mary Newington. It could be one of those occasions where a child died young and a later child was named for the earlier one.
Mabel's discovery of a sibling is very interesting because I don't know anything about them or even their existence. Where did you find the source?
thank you!
Richard
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Surrey Lookup Requests / Looking for Ann Manning in Bermondsey ca 1818-ca 1880
« on: Friday 22 July 16 04:25 BST (UK) »
Her father was Peter Manning, but I do not know her mother's name.
She married Reuben Smith in 1834 in St. Mary Newington and had 8 children between 1835 and 1856. Reuben died in 1857 and in 1860 she married William Rush, who outlived her.
For much of her married life she lived at 47 Gedling Street in Bermondsey.
I would love to find get an image of the register for her marriage to Reuben Smith, a parish record of her birth or christening and the registration of her death. Or anything about her parents
She married Reuben Smith in 1834 in St. Mary Newington and had 8 children between 1835 and 1856. Reuben died in 1857 and in 1860 she married William Rush, who outlived her.
For much of her married life she lived at 47 Gedling Street in Bermondsey.
I would love to find get an image of the register for her marriage to Reuben Smith, a parish record of her birth or christening and the registration of her death. Or anything about her parents
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The Common Room / Re: biographical abbreviations in armorial entry
« on: Friday 25 March 16 14:41 GMT (UK) »
Thanks all.
CPA is the one I was pretty certain of.
Maybe the "h." instead of the "b." is just a matter of bad typsetting
He adapted an already existing Foster coat of arms, so I don't know whether he needed to justify his right to one despite his non-aristocratic lineage. Judging from where he lived in New Haven he seems to have been a reasonably financially successful guy and felt a need to reinforce his socio-economic station.
H. Coll as "Heraldic college" sounds like a possibility. I'll follow that up. Thank you!
CPA is the one I was pretty certain of.
Maybe the "h." instead of the "b." is just a matter of bad typsetting
He adapted an already existing Foster coat of arms, so I don't know whether he needed to justify his right to one despite his non-aristocratic lineage. Judging from where he lived in New Haven he seems to have been a reasonably financially successful guy and felt a need to reinforce his socio-economic station.
H. Coll as "Heraldic college" sounds like a possibility. I'll follow that up. Thank you!
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The Common Room / biographical abbreviations in armorial entry
« on: Friday 25 March 16 04:46 GMT (UK) »
I'm not sure where this question fits
A distant relative of mine emigrated from England to New Haven Connecticut at the end of the 19th century and became an accountant. At some point he ordered a coat of arms that is a variant of the pre-existing Foster coat of arms.
In Arthur Charles Fox-Davies "Armorial Families" (1929) there is a biographical entry for him but I don't understand all the abbreviations (ones I'm not sure of coloured blue):
Herbert Foster, Gentleman, D.C.L., M.Com., M.C.S.,C.P.A., h. 1871 ; m. 1896, Amy, d. of Capt. Henry Spencer, of Saybrook, Connecticut. Res. — U.S.A.
Also the beginning of the description of the coat of arms says:
FOSTER (H. Coll., 24 Jan. 1916). Or on a fesse vert...
Herbert did well for himself but the 1940 Census says he had a grade 8 education so D.C.L as "doctor of common laws" seems improbable even though Yale apparently gives that out as an honorary degree. "M.Com" looks like masters of commerce, but I wouldn't have thought so at the turn of the 19th-20th century. "M.C.S." I have no idea about. He was born in 1871 so h. 1871 means birth year, but why "h"? (C.P.A. and other things are straightforward).
Also "H. Coll." is not likely Harvard College, which was my first guess. Fox-Davies' book is full of "H. Coll." with a date yet if any of the biographical entries is for someone who went to Harvard, the university is spelled out.
Does anyone have any guidance? Much appreciated if so!
A distant relative of mine emigrated from England to New Haven Connecticut at the end of the 19th century and became an accountant. At some point he ordered a coat of arms that is a variant of the pre-existing Foster coat of arms.
In Arthur Charles Fox-Davies "Armorial Families" (1929) there is a biographical entry for him but I don't understand all the abbreviations (ones I'm not sure of coloured blue):
Herbert Foster, Gentleman, D.C.L., M.Com., M.C.S.,C.P.A., h. 1871 ; m. 1896, Amy, d. of Capt. Henry Spencer, of Saybrook, Connecticut. Res. — U.S.A.
Also the beginning of the description of the coat of arms says:
FOSTER (H. Coll., 24 Jan. 1916). Or on a fesse vert...
Herbert did well for himself but the 1940 Census says he had a grade 8 education so D.C.L as "doctor of common laws" seems improbable even though Yale apparently gives that out as an honorary degree. "M.Com" looks like masters of commerce, but I wouldn't have thought so at the turn of the 19th-20th century. "M.C.S." I have no idea about. He was born in 1871 so h. 1871 means birth year, but why "h"? (C.P.A. and other things are straightforward).
Also "H. Coll." is not likely Harvard College, which was my first guess. Fox-Davies' book is full of "H. Coll." with a date yet if any of the biographical entries is for someone who went to Harvard, the university is spelled out.
Does anyone have any guidance? Much appreciated if so!