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Thank you so much you good people! I did have to reduce it by 50% twice from my .jpg copy for the photo to be accepted for posting. Yes whoever wrote the names on the photo got my grandparents' names incorrect. But of course David Thomas was not his real name, he was already married at the time he married my grandmother, having been originally Daniel Lewis.   :o

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Thanks for your response. Unfortunately this is all I have - don't have the original. No worries if nothing can be done.  :)

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My grandmother Harriet came from England to Darwin in 1912 to marry David Thomas. I don't know who has written information on the photo, but some of the names are incorrect. The 3 children are Daly, Alex & Marge (my uncles and aunt). I'm hoping there is some way of improving the quality of the photo. Many thanks, Renatha

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Thank you everyone for your comments, suggestions and attachments. I have found them to be of great help in getting a better picture of my G-GM's life in Ireland. She married my G-GF at 20yo (he was 29 & German) and they went on to have 8 children - 1 son and 7 daughters! My aunt gave me a framed portrait of Margaret & Ferdinand nearly 30 years ago, so for some reason I've always felt close to her. This recent search prompted me to finally take a photo of the portrait...She was nothing if not adventurous arriving in Melbourne in 1866 at 15yo then by 1870, getting married in Brisbane at 20. That's a long way! Aghadowey you seem to have found quite a lot of facts and figures about your Irish relatives and their travels! That publication was helpful.
Janelle when I think of the different parts of the world my g-parents and g-grandparents came from independently of each other yet coincidentally culminating at Brisbane, it has made me thankful I am even here on this planet! Sharonkai that link was great, thanks so much! Siann, since I started this thread recently there was a TV show about several UK rebels - English, Irish & Welsh transported to Australia in the 1800's and the Irish one - he was of the upper classes but fought for the rights of the poor - and there was a bit about the conditions at the time of the famine. Of course I've read fictional books set in that time, but I always thought my G-GM came after that and wondered why. But I'm realising from the large numbers, what an emigration took place over decades around that time.

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The Lighter Side / Re: Go easy
« on: Saturday 31 December 16 12:30 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks JooliY for raising this, as a relative new RootsChatter I've felt very welcome and have been given some helpful info., most recently about reasons my 15yo G-GM left Ireland in 1866 to come to Melbourne, but I have also felt as if I was stupid in a previous thread about this same ancestor when I was trying to get past a brick wall, and to be honest, overwhelmed at all the different links to different resources the other side of the world about places I have never heard of etc. Sometimes I wonder if it's because I'm in Australia and perhaps shouldn't be on this forum, though I would be more than happy to help someone from the UK if I can with local info. if their ancestor has come here.
Ruskie here is a thread that comes to mind, and of course it may be as you say that it was meant in jest, and I post this purely as an example:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=757204.msg6094254#msg6094254

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Tyrone / Re: Is Anyone able to tell me why my G-GM would have left at age 15 in 1866?
« on: Friday 30 December 16 22:32 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks Barry - I'm sure I don't know where I got that idea of having seen something confirming that people could come to Aus via America but thanks for your imaginative options. I've searched the internet and the clipper routes from Liverpool to Melbourne turned R. at Africa and kept going straight across to Melbourne.

Ruskie I do have the names of Margaret & Mary's parents, Patrick was a plasterer on Margaret's marriage cert. The parents remained in Ireland and I'm sure you're right - the girls came for the work, both named as Dom. Serv. on the passenger list. Actually a similar thing happened to the older sister Mary as with your Irish ancestor, she got married in Australia to someone also born in Co. Tyrone and had 3 children living near Sunbury. They returned to Ireland in 1876.

It is ironic how much access to information we have nowadays, but in certain quarters such a lack in the recent past, such as with our Irish ancestors.  :'(

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The Common Room / Re: Lazy Research
« on: Friday 30 December 16 22:11 GMT (UK)  »
-How about everyone inserting "Daphne Witterington-Hope III" into their trees somewhere, as a spouse or child,  (B. 1910, died 1879) and wait and see how long it is before this back-to-front person crops up on other trees?
Which reminds me I got excited sometime ago in my Welsh branch when I thought we were related to David Lloyd George. Anyone famous would be good! Amazing how many others were also related. When adding on the German branch (which could not be sourced as I don't have Worldwide access, just UK Heritage - UK & Aus - though some details are shown in official hints) from others' trees (please don't read any further if you are a RootsChat aficionado) I did notice sometimes places could have an American location tacked on the end such as "Berlichingen, Hohenlohekreis, Baden-Württemberg, Germany, Jacksonville, FL" or suchlike.

I agree with what someone said earlier in this topic, for me it has been a process of learning over years as I dip back in and out of Ancestry, I am much more discerning now having deleted some branches to start over again to make sure they are sourced and the information fits. And I've made my tree private.

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Tyrone / Re: Is Anyone able to tell me why my G-GM would have left at age 15 in 1866?
« on: Wednesday 28 December 16 19:18 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks Ruskie, of course 30 years ago when I found out about my Irish G-GM I thought the famine was the reason, but coming so young and some years after the worst of the famine confused me. In the link to Wiki the part below seems relevant, though my G-GM was not even born until 1851. I guess the effects would have lasted for many years after.

Families did not migrate en masse, but younger members of families did, so much so that emigration almost became a rite of passage, as evidenced by the data that show that, unlike similar emigration throughout world history, women emigrated just as often, just as early, and in the same numbers as men. The emigrant started a new life in a new land, sent remittances "[reaching] £1,404,000 by 1851"[109] back to his/her family in Ireland which, in turn, allowed another member of the family to emigrate.

I was confused about my aunt's story that 3 sisters set out for America from Ireland, and her GM (my G-GM) didn't want to get off there and came on to Australia. From the shipping records, it was clear that 2 sisters did arrive in Melbourne in 1866, but I thought I read something recently - possibly on RootsChat - that coming via America was quite usual. It must be the early onset dementia  :D So scrap that bit of info.  :)

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Tyrone / Is Anyone able to tell me why my G-GM would have left at age 15 in 1866?
« on: Tuesday 27 December 16 09:58 GMT (UK)  »
Hello - I've just watched a repeat of WDYTYA (Aust) with Ray Martin's story which takes him back to Ireland for one ancestor in Tipperary to find out why he was transported for life. It turns out he was one of the Whiteboys and there was, as is typical, much contextual information provided about the times in late 1820's Tipperary.

I know I could google it, or go to the library and try to find a book about it, but it would make it much more real to get some idea of what was happening in Co. Tyrone (particularly Dungannon and/or Omagh areas) politically and religiously in the mid-1800's when my G-GM (aged 15 & Catholic) and her sister (aged 22) travelled by ship to Australia via America, from someone who knows the local history in a broad sense. Hope I'm not asking too much, or it's a bit insensitive. I haven't been able to find any more on that branch and it's quite frustrating being the other side of the world.  :( :(

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