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Australia / Re: William FRANCE (FRANCES,FRANCES) and wife Christina (nee NEED)
« on: Sunday 29 January 23 01:37 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: sparrett on Sunday 29 January 23 01:12 GMT (UK)
I have wanted to know why Joseph RYCROFT refers to Sarah FRANCE as his sister-in -law
The relationship is not that straight forward.
Sarah was the 1/2 sister to Joseph Rycroft’s wife. So perhaps the correct relationship to Joseph was step-sister-in-law.  ???

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Australia / Re: William FRANCE (FRANCES,FRANCES) and wife Christina (nee NEED)
« on: Sunday 29 January 23 00:58 GMT (UK)  »
Louisa possibly grew up thinking her mother was Annie, nee Bentle - perhaps unaware of who her real mother was.

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Australia / Re: William FRANCE (FRANCES,FRANCES) and wife Christina (nee NEED)
« on: Sunday 29 January 23 00:49 GMT (UK)  »
Joseph Rycroft received his certificate of Freedom in 1844. By the time of this court case he was a respectable famer – nobody would have known about his convict background 30 years in the past.

The link between the families is that Rycroft’s wife Annie and Sarah France were ½ sisters. They both shared the same mother – Christiana Nead.

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Australia / Re: William FRANCE (FRANCES,FRANCES) and wife Christina (nee NEED)
« on: Sunday 29 January 23 00:10 GMT (UK)  »
FOUND IT! :D     Yes sister-in-law might be almost correct.

Joseph Rycroft married Annie BENTLE in 1865
Annie was quite a bit younger than Rycroft. She was born in 1844 in Tasmania - the daughter of  George BENDALL (BENTLE) and Christiana MEAD / NEAD.
I think that must be Christiana NEED. The marriage to George Bendall was in Hobart 8 July 1833.

Sister-in-law is not right, is it?
Christiana Need was the mother to Joseph Rycroft's wife. Christiana Need was Joseph Rycroft's mother-in-law. I can't work out what that correct relationship for Sarah is, without getting my brain in a knot!

ADDED: George Bendall died in Melbourne in 1852, which would leave time for his widow Christiana to partner with William France and have a child in 1856.

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Australia / Re: William FRANCE (FRANCES,FRANCES) and wife Christina (nee NEED)
« on: Sunday 29 January 23 00:01 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: sparrett on Saturday 28 January 23 22:15 GMT (UK)
This 1873 news clip tells the same story but adds some details I had not seen before.
It again states that Alice EDIT SARAH was Rycroft's sister in law.
 
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/113593976
it say's she was Rycroft's "adopted daughter and sister-in-law."
Need to look into the sister-in-law bit?

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Australia / Re: William FRANCE (FRANCES,FRANCES) and wife Christina (nee NEED)
« on: Saturday 28 January 23 23:43 GMT (UK)  »
Trying to find some background for William France, I have looked further at his criminal records, both in England and Australia.
Before being sent to Tasmania as a convict, he had a few previous convictions in Liverpool. In fact the sentence for his last offence (due to previous crimes) was originally death, and this was commuted to 14 yrs transportation. Looking at Willam’s age cross all the documents, there is a conformity that his birth was abt 1819 in Liverpool (not 1814 as previously posted). This puts his age closer to his buddy Joseph Rycroft.

The only possible baptism I can find is this (but may not be correct)
Baptism: 21 Jun 1818 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
William France - Son of William France (labourer) & Elizabeth
    Abode: Cunliffe St
   
William’s father’s occupation is “labourer” & I feel this is more in line with his son’s which was recorded as labourer / groom/ carter on convict records.

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Australia / Re: William FRANCE (FRANCES,FRANCES) and wife Christina (nee NEED)
« on: Saturday 28 January 23 22:10 GMT (UK)  »
More here
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/5882643?searchTerm=Jago%20AND%20Rathscar

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Help needed. Family mystery..
« on: Saturday 28 January 23 21:41 GMT (UK)  »
The birth registration is available from here
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Help needed. Family mystery..
« on: Saturday 28 January 23 21:33 GMT (UK)  »
I don't think the Arthur P Basnett born Darlington is the right one - I see a marriage for him, and a death for him in 1965. His parents were John Basnett and Emily McNulty - married in 1902 Darlington.

The birth certificate you are after is the one registered in Woolwich.

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