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The Common Room / Re: Re: Lincoln's Inn Registers
« on: Tuesday 30 June 20 15:43 BST (UK) »
May I also ask.... Does the register state, declare or assume nationality of James and Mary please? English/Irish or scottish?
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The Common Room / Re: Re: Lincoln's Inn Registers
« on: Tuesday 30 June 20 15:37 BST (UK) »
By George, I think you might be on to something. BLESS you. I am in Australia and its 12.34am and I am so tired but so greatful. I think you may have a good connection here.
I just need to connect James Murray ???1855???) with Micheal Murray 1830 through birth or baptism and I might just have the correct line. I DONT SUPPOSE I can stretch our friendship could I.
Lynne.
I just need to connect James Murray ???1855???) with Micheal Murray 1830 through birth or baptism and I might just have the correct line. I DONT SUPPOSE I can stretch our friendship could I.
Lynne.
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The Common Room / Re: Re: Lincoln's Inn Registers
« on: Tuesday 30 June 20 15:09 BST (UK) »
Oh Yes Please that would be fabulous .. The family are pretty much all based saffron Hill/Clerkenwell/Holborn/finsbury - 10 King Street, Drury Lane, verulam Street, Pine Street, Upper Union Court, Francis Court, Grays Inn Road, Great Wild Street, I sincerely thank you for the Micheal Murray Birth and Baptism Information. Bapt 11/7/1830 and birth 4th July,1890 to James and Mary.
Would it also be too much to ask to see if he had siblings also baptised/birth records.
Sincerely Lynne.
Would it also be too much to ask to see if he had siblings also baptised/birth records.
Sincerely Lynne.
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The Common Room / Murray Lincoln's Inn Registers
« on: Tuesday 30 June 20 13:07 BST (UK) »
I appreciate your assistance. I am totally stumped. i will put it all here because all I can do is hope... something out there will fall into place.
I am trying to Find information on Michael Murray - (later a bricklayer b 1830? Lincoln's Inn) son of James Murray (occ Bricklayer).
From the marriage certificate we have Michael Murray of age Bachelor & Labourer of 10 King Street DL which I think is Drury Lane, The parish Church St Giles in the fields married Hannah Bryan of age Spinster of Union Court, Father David Bryan Skin die. We believe this to be Johanna Brian dau of David & Catherine Brian.
From their Sons Marriage Certificate - James Murray abt 1855 who married Elizabeth Dial(s) however her real name (Family documents being Caroline Elizabeth Dial) we know his father is Micheal Murray Bricklayer deceased) I have Michaels Death details being 31/12/1871,St Andrews Eastern Holborn. He died at 10 Dorrington Street. I believe his Daughter (ellen who is James Sister) was the one who was informant and present at the death. this family has so many secrets and its taken me over 15 years just to get this far. any help would such a help.
If I can find michaels birth, his mother and any siblings I might be able to peace so many things together.
My Family so far is this
Michael Murray -Johanna Brian m 1851 we think this is them but her name on marriage is hannah Bryan.
Had Possibly a johanna 1853? -Ellen 1854 - James 1855??? - Johanna 1859 lived saffron hill/Holborn. Family story is we have Scottish in the family somewhere? We know Johanna Bryan's parent were irish.
James is my Great Great Grandfather we have No Birth Date or registration that I can find he was a news vendor - Onson Thomas' Marriage certificate (1897) No death Info but died before 1912 somewhere in Middlesex I am sure - I cannot find on GRO either Mother maiden name Brian/O Brien/Bryan??
James Married Caroline Elizabeth Dial (Elizabeth on marriage certificate) in 18/02/1879 Sardinian Church, St Giles. [47 Great Wild Street, St Giles]
James and Elizabeth (caroline Elizabeth) Had Thomas Murray born 10 June 1879
and according to census a David Murray born 1887/1888 but I can find his birth either. He apparently married a Suzannah Stevens in 1912 (thats how I know James died before that date.
Thomas Murray born 10 June 1879 is my Great Grandad-He married an Annie Sewell in 1897 - I have their marriage certificate. Oh what a story this is.... Thomas and Annie had a child Thomas William in 1897 who died in 1900. A daughter Catherine in December 1899 who married an Albert Brichard and a son was born to Annie (frederick William Clare 20 May 1909) fathered by a Frederick William Clare but was still married to Thomas yet claimed the surname Clare on his baptism, and then in 1912 My grandad was born to Thomas and Annie Again 27th April, 1912. You guessed it - I am confused.
Anyway I have since found that Thomas (1879) did go to war but we are not sure what year. He died in egypt of apendicitis in January 1919 still in service. His next of kin was listed as his mother Elizabeth Murray of 72 Fernddale street Tottenham which we know is a family address.
We do not have annie (sewell) & thomas together in 1911 census she is at her mothers under sewell and he is with his mother and brother david, and daughter Catherine. they just disappear.
I know when Thomas Snr died 1919 that his son Thomas (1912) was 7. Apparently Annie "was placed into Banstead Hospital in 1920 then Cane hill in 1939 where she died in 1943. Verfied by death certificate signed by son Frederick William Clare.
WHO OR WHERE did Thomas William Murray live with from age 8/9 years of age? until his marriage in 1935 to Elsie May Wigger?
PLEASE SOME ONE HELP ME....
I am trying to Find information on Michael Murray - (later a bricklayer b 1830? Lincoln's Inn) son of James Murray (occ Bricklayer).
From the marriage certificate we have Michael Murray of age Bachelor & Labourer of 10 King Street DL which I think is Drury Lane, The parish Church St Giles in the fields married Hannah Bryan of age Spinster of Union Court, Father David Bryan Skin die. We believe this to be Johanna Brian dau of David & Catherine Brian.
From their Sons Marriage Certificate - James Murray abt 1855 who married Elizabeth Dial(s) however her real name (Family documents being Caroline Elizabeth Dial) we know his father is Micheal Murray Bricklayer deceased) I have Michaels Death details being 31/12/1871,St Andrews Eastern Holborn. He died at 10 Dorrington Street. I believe his Daughter (ellen who is James Sister) was the one who was informant and present at the death. this family has so many secrets and its taken me over 15 years just to get this far. any help would such a help.
If I can find michaels birth, his mother and any siblings I might be able to peace so many things together.
My Family so far is this
Michael Murray -Johanna Brian m 1851 we think this is them but her name on marriage is hannah Bryan.
Had Possibly a johanna 1853? -Ellen 1854 - James 1855??? - Johanna 1859 lived saffron hill/Holborn. Family story is we have Scottish in the family somewhere? We know Johanna Bryan's parent were irish.
James is my Great Great Grandfather we have No Birth Date or registration that I can find he was a news vendor - Onson Thomas' Marriage certificate (1897) No death Info but died before 1912 somewhere in Middlesex I am sure - I cannot find on GRO either Mother maiden name Brian/O Brien/Bryan??
James Married Caroline Elizabeth Dial (Elizabeth on marriage certificate) in 18/02/1879 Sardinian Church, St Giles. [47 Great Wild Street, St Giles]
James and Elizabeth (caroline Elizabeth) Had Thomas Murray born 10 June 1879
and according to census a David Murray born 1887/1888 but I can find his birth either. He apparently married a Suzannah Stevens in 1912 (thats how I know James died before that date.
Thomas Murray born 10 June 1879 is my Great Grandad-He married an Annie Sewell in 1897 - I have their marriage certificate. Oh what a story this is.... Thomas and Annie had a child Thomas William in 1897 who died in 1900. A daughter Catherine in December 1899 who married an Albert Brichard and a son was born to Annie (frederick William Clare 20 May 1909) fathered by a Frederick William Clare but was still married to Thomas yet claimed the surname Clare on his baptism, and then in 1912 My grandad was born to Thomas and Annie Again 27th April, 1912. You guessed it - I am confused.
Anyway I have since found that Thomas (1879) did go to war but we are not sure what year. He died in egypt of apendicitis in January 1919 still in service. His next of kin was listed as his mother Elizabeth Murray of 72 Fernddale street Tottenham which we know is a family address.
We do not have annie (sewell) & thomas together in 1911 census she is at her mothers under sewell and he is with his mother and brother david, and daughter Catherine. they just disappear.
I know when Thomas Snr died 1919 that his son Thomas (1912) was 7. Apparently Annie "was placed into Banstead Hospital in 1920 then Cane hill in 1939 where she died in 1943. Verfied by death certificate signed by son Frederick William Clare.
WHO OR WHERE did Thomas William Murray live with from age 8/9 years of age? until his marriage in 1935 to Elsie May Wigger?
PLEASE SOME ONE HELP ME....
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The Common Room / Re: Lincoln's Inn Registers
« on: Tuesday 23 June 20 14:49 BST (UK) »
I would be extremely interested to see if there are entry's for Murrays around last 1790's. I have been point to a jacobi Murray that is all I know. if you could assist if you get time of course. My Family that I know of is definately a James Murray - Son is Michael Murray possibly born 1830/1831 died 31/12/1871 Holborn St Andrews Eastern reg Jan 1872 married Johanna in 1851 St Giles in the fields (johanna's parents were irish David/Catherine Bryan/Brien/O'Brien) there son is James Murray abt 1855 married Caroline "Elizabeth" Dial(S)(L) in feb 1879 and 100% his son is Thomas Murray born Holborn 1879-1919 egypt who married Annie Sewell in 1897. Thank you.
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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / Re: Tyler, Diall or was it something else.?
« on: Thursday 04 June 20 08:42 BST (UK) »
Betty, I have found James Father Michaels Death certificate. Died 31st December, 1871 at 10 Dorrington streetaged 40. Informant is Ellen. I also have UNWANTED /NOT OUR FAMILY Death Certificates:
that might help you with your other Murray tree.
or any one else.
1855 James Murray son of James Murray Policeman North Giles in the fields. Age of death 10 months. address23 New Compton Street, Informant Mary Roberts, 9 Baldwin Gardens Leather Land, Bloomsbury.
1909 James Murray age 55 years Carriers porter of 38 Grenville Road, Islington Son is H S Murray 38 St Pauls Street, Islington Reg Sub District of Tufnell Islington Infirmary, Highgate Hill.
1912 Lambeth Infirmary, James Murray aged 55 (plasterer (Journeyman) of 21 richmond Street Kennington Dsistrict Lambeth. Informant J Murray Son of same address.
If anyone has any unrelated Murray Certificates I would love to view. Thanks Lynne Murray
that might help you with your other Murray tree.
or any one else.
1855 James Murray son of James Murray Policeman North Giles in the fields. Age of death 10 months. address23 New Compton Street, Informant Mary Roberts, 9 Baldwin Gardens Leather Land, Bloomsbury.
1909 James Murray age 55 years Carriers porter of 38 Grenville Road, Islington Son is H S Murray 38 St Pauls Street, Islington Reg Sub District of Tufnell Islington Infirmary, Highgate Hill.
1912 Lambeth Infirmary, James Murray aged 55 (plasterer (Journeyman) of 21 richmond Street Kennington Dsistrict Lambeth. Informant J Murray Son of same address.
If anyone has any unrelated Murray Certificates I would love to view. Thanks Lynne Murray
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London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests / Re: Holborn Bars
« on: Thursday 04 June 20 08:20 BST (UK) »
Im afraid not related to the Hepburns but Ben... your comment... I have done extensive research on Holborn. I have even set up a group about the parish of St Alban Holborn on Facebook. I also have a collection of photos of the area.
My great, great grandmother and her parents lived here from 1878 to her fathers death in 1889. They lived at 69 Leather Lane, 9 Portpool Lane, then 18 Evelyn Buildings which is down Dorrington Street, Holborn Above The Bars. Dorrington Street is just north of Furnivals Inn.
Furnivals Inn is just below the Brookes Market and Prudential buildings.
In 1813 my Coombs ancestors lived for a short time at 114 Grays Inn Lane in Holborn.
I am a descendant of the Murrays (Michael Murray circa 1830 - d 1871 at dorrington Street, m Johanna Brian (o'Brien) his son James Murray (circa 1855) lived Gray's Inn Road, Francis Court, Half moon Court, married Caroline (elizabeth) Diall(s) (farrington Road) , son Thomas Murray (1879) Pine Street, leather Lane, m Annie Sewell. all in the area you describe. I would love to make contact.
Lynne. I have also a FB page Islington Murray Sewell Wigger
My great, great grandmother and her parents lived here from 1878 to her fathers death in 1889. They lived at 69 Leather Lane, 9 Portpool Lane, then 18 Evelyn Buildings which is down Dorrington Street, Holborn Above The Bars. Dorrington Street is just north of Furnivals Inn.
Furnivals Inn is just below the Brookes Market and Prudential buildings.
In 1813 my Coombs ancestors lived for a short time at 114 Grays Inn Lane in Holborn.
I am a descendant of the Murrays (Michael Murray circa 1830 - d 1871 at dorrington Street, m Johanna Brian (o'Brien) his son James Murray (circa 1855) lived Gray's Inn Road, Francis Court, Half moon Court, married Caroline (elizabeth) Diall(s) (farrington Road) , son Thomas Murray (1879) Pine Street, leather Lane, m Annie Sewell. all in the area you describe. I would love to make contact.
Lynne. I have also a FB page Islington Murray Sewell Wigger
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World War One / Re: Murray, Thomas Private, WW1 1st Royal Garrison Essex Regiment No 22105
« on: Monday 11 May 20 14:00 BST (UK) »
Thank you Shaun, I think I have narrowed it down to death 1903 now. Ive sent away for death certs to see. xxxxx