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Europe Resources & Offers / British subjects in France
« on: Sunday 13 August 17 17:51 BST (UK)  »
Hi,

I don't know if I am in the right place and if it's even useful. I would like to list the British subjects I find in France during my own queries.

For example, today, I found the

birth record of Elisabeth Victoria EDWARDS, born on December 8th 1840 in Chantilly (Oise), daughter of George EDWARDS (piqueur au service de son altesse royale monseigneur le duc d'Orléans, domicilié à Chantilly bâtiment des Grandes écuries) and Elisabeth ARNULL EDWARDS his wife. One of the witnesses is Edgar PAVIS, 27 years old, jockey au service du duc d'Orléans, a friend.

death record of Wiliam Chichester EDWARDS in Pléneuf-Val-André (Côtes d'Armor), dead on August 22th 1826. He was 38 years old, lieutenant de vaisseau de la marine britannique. Parents William EDWARDS and Elisabeth CHICHESTER. He is a native of Bonristaple province du Devonshire. I honestly can't read the name of his birthplace. I guess it's Barnstaple.

birth record of William Charles Louis EDWARDS in Boulogne-sur-Mer (Pas-de-Calais) on June 7th 1843 (born the day before), son of William George EDWARDS, 36 years old, rentier, and Marie Clara MALCOLM, 38 years old, his wife.

birth record of Amelia EDWARDS in Guingamp (Côtes d'Armor) on November 16th 1861 (born the day before), daughter of James EDWARDS, 40 years old, propriétaire, and Rebecca Elizabeth GLIDDON, 39 years old, propriétaire

death record of Clements Georges EDWARD(S) in Lamballe (Côtes d'Armor) on June 7th 1858. Born in Jersey, single, rentier. He was 61 years old.

birth record of Elle Victoria DODD in Lamorlaye (Oise), on May 25th 1899 (born the day before), daughter of James Théodore DODD, 29 years old, jockey, and Loïs FLATMAN, 26 years old, sans profession. Witnesses George WITCHERLEY, 44, jockey, and Jean COOKE, 30, jockey.
The next record is the death record of Albert William JONES, son of George Albert JONES, 26, palfrenier, and Eugénie Alphonsine Charlotte LETELLIER

Marriage record In Lamorlaye (Oise) on April 26th 1898. George Albert JONES and Eugénie Alphonsine Charlotte LETELLIER. Born in Kinsnigton Town, arrondissement de Londres, son of William JONES and Sarah JONES.









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Europe / Re: Eliza Brett, British Subject born Rouen, France c1843
« on: Saturday 12 August 17 17:33 BST (UK)  »
In the census 1846

Le Château

Richard STACPOOLE, owner and duke, 49
Elisabeth TOLOC, his wife, 49
two girls and a son

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Fitzgeorge_de_Stacpoole,_1st_Duke_de_Stacpoole

Can you see a connection whatsoever ?

http://www.montigny-lencoup.fr/pages/page-menu-deroulant/histoire-du-village.html

Le château fut vendu en 1822 par les héritiers des Trudaine à Monsieur le comte de Stacpoole Georges.

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Europe / Re: Eliza Brett, British Subject born Rouen, France c1843
« on: Saturday 12 August 17 17:02 BST (UK)  »
The BRETTS in the 1841 census

http://archinoe.com/cg77v2/index.php/docnumViewer/calculHierarchieDocNum/933228/1501:17970:206191:933228/1080/1920

Frame 8

Hameau de la Fontaine Geoffroie

He is a farmer

New place in 1846 (in the same village) : Le Château (The Castle)

http://archinoe.com/cg77v2/index.php/docnumViewer/calculHierarchieDocNum/933768/1501:17970:206219:933768/1080/1920

Frame 18




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Europe / Re: Eliza Brett, British Subject born Rouen, France c1843
« on: Saturday 12 August 17 15:56 BST (UK)  »
In 1846, a Louis BERGER, chevalier de la Légion d'honneur, lived in Loroy. He passed away in Loroy on March 5th 1847. Louis François BERGER, 64 years old, retired captain, chevalier de la Légion d'honneur. He was a native of Paris.

His career history
http://www.culture.gouv.fr/LH/LH015/PG/FRDAFAN83_OL0188040v005.htm

Distinguished himself at the Battle of Leipzig

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Leipzig

I guess that he was renting the castle. After his death, Bernard LUPIN recruited his own staff because the managers aren't the same.

I know it doesn't really help us.

Between Salins and Méru-ès-Bois, Mary HARMETT gave birth to three children. We know that Eliza, circa 1841, and Charles, circa 1845, are born in France. It's probably the same thing for Betsie circa 1843.

Does the death certificate of Charles BRETT in Nantwich in 1891 state his birthplace ?



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Europe / Re: Eliza Brett, British Subject born Rouen, France c1843
« on: Saturday 12 August 17 15:33 BST (UK)  »
David,

I got Rouen from the 1891 British census.
Presumably régisseur means estate or farm manager, not stage manager as per Google translation?

I know that. It was just my tuppence, trying to explain why you can't find her birth record in  Rouen.

Yes. He was a farm manager.

Alexis YUNG mentions him as a "marchand de bestiaux" as well. A cattle dealer in English  ?

and I am wondering if he was dealing with horses. I guess that's the kind of man a landlord would hire.



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Europe / Re: Eliza Brett, British Subject born Rouen, France c1843
« on: Saturday 12 August 17 15:08 BST (UK)  »
If Ralph BRETT was a farmer or in charge of another big estate around 1840, he lived in the countryside, not in a city like Rouen.

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Europe / Re: Eliza Brett, British Subject born Rouen, France c1843
« on: Saturday 12 August 17 14:35 BST (UK)  »
In the 1851 census of Méry-ès-Bois

Loroy (hamlett)

Mr LUPIN Bernard, propriétaire agriculteur, 55
Mme de PATUR.. (can't read the end), propriétaire, sa femme
Mr LUPIN Eugène, leur fils, id, 29
Melle LUPIN Julie, leur fille,
BARBELLION Prosper, régisseur, 29
BRETT Raph, régisseur, 42, Angleterre
ARMETT Marie sa femme, 38
BRETT Georges leur fills, 15
BRETT William, id, 14
BRETT Richard, id, 12
BRETT Elisa, leur fille, 10
BRETT Beteci, id, 8
BRETT Charles, leur fils, 6
and plenty of servants

 


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