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Lancashire / Re: Cotton Industry of Greater Manchester - Migrants from the South
« on: Sunday 21 January 18 13:53 GMT (UK)  »
Dear Friends,
thanks so much for sharing all those details, my deepest sincere appreciation.
Kidderminster wow, it Worcestershire. Thats what I thought when they changed "Act of Settlement" which regulated migration to the cotton areas...people from the South flooded the areas. That was already capitalism. Not a small businesses. I read couple of good books, they were available online at google books...
And yes Flemish in Bolton, I think those were Continental Prostestants, Huguenots right, who came to England because of religious persecutions in Spanish Netherlands, its 1500 right??? They were in Halifax, West Riding of Yorkshire as well. I am not quite sure where else they settled in Lancashire...they say the last name Fleming...comes from "Flemish". I am not sure if its just a tradition or actual truth though.Yeah sack of wool in the House of Parliament. I recall the Victor Hugo's Man Who Laughs description of the customs of the House of Lords...amazing story by the way. Thanks so much again to everyone, input is very much appreciated. Kind regards, R

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Lancashire / Re: Cotton Industry of Greater Manchester - Migrants from the South
« on: Sunday 21 January 18 02:46 GMT (UK)  »
looks like in the 1500's it was still home operated business. some say it was Flemish who introduced textile industry in Lancashire, I am not sure about that, and even if there was some influence, it would have happened sooner or later. They had Wool Fairs here and there in the 1500's.and there was not that much cotton. main focus was still on wool  - which comes from sheep. Cotton came later when they started getting raw cotton from the colonies. I think late 1600's early 1700's. and then it turned into industry which became emblematic of the region. I am assuming the peak of immigration from the South was during that last phase mid 1700's.

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Lancashire / Cotton Industry of Greater Manchester - Migrants from the South
« on: Saturday 20 January 18 17:17 GMT (UK)  »
Dear Friends,
during Middle Ages cotton industry in Salford and Blackburn Hundreds was growing rapidly. Lancashire mill owners used to send recruiting teams to other counties in the South of England Somerset, Berkshire Devon etc. because there was a shortage of labor locally.  And the oppressed laborers from the South moved to Lancashire as to a new world. Bolton, Blackburn, Oldham, Burnley, Ashton, Wigan, and other South East Lancashire towns grew quickly. At first cotton manufacture was a small home-based business. The South East Lancashire area became the powerhouse of industrial activity  in England in the period 1780 to 1820 when the Industrial Revolution took hold, with inventions such as the  weaving loom changed the textile work from a domestic industry to factory-based one. I would highly appreciate any info on the migration of laborers from the South to Lancashire.  My main concern is when (years) immigration reached it's peak and where (locations) in Lancashire the South settlers established their new homes. Any statistics would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. Kind regards, R

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Lancashire / Re: Seth Holden of Bolton
« on: Friday 19 January 18 16:57 GMT (UK)  »
Oh yeah, now I see that's definitely him, thanks again, appreciate your time and help a lot.
Yes, port of departure - Liverpool (Merseyside), that's where from they were getting to the US from South Lancashire. And yeah, occupation saddler. So 1848...I will go deeper on BNA...may be there are some of his sporting achievements that I don't know of. I understand that "champion wrestler" is of course more or less proverbial...but still may be he really won something...they did have regular annual championships at Back Hold then. Manchester (from the 1830's) and even in Bolton since 1844. Lower Nag's Head the public house/inn in Bolton that's where from he operated during his sporting days.

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Lancashire / Re: Seth Holden of Bolton
« on: Friday 19 January 18 16:04 GMT (UK)  »
Maureen, thanks here's the clip of the paper you were referring to.
It says he was champion of England...huh, I dont have him winning any major titles,
but I will go over it on BritishNewspaperArchives again. All I had he was celebrated wrestler.
I can't folow that link you posted I am not registered on their web...
When did he arrive to US? Does it mention Bolton as place of departure?
Thanks again for your input, and my deepest appreciation.
Kind regards, R

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Lancashire / Re: Seth Holden of Bolton
« on: Friday 19 January 18 15:38 GMT (UK)  »
State of NY? I am not sure if that's possible though...he was very local Bolton celebrity...doubtful he could get that far. I see Seth Holding on Fulton as you suggested, but I am not sure if its him. Yeah it says "old English gentleman".

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Lancashire / Images/Photos of Victorian athlete Henry Counsel (1843-1900)
« on: Friday 19 January 18 14:58 GMT (UK)  »
Dear Friends,
I need help with trying to find any images of the famous Lancashire champion wrestler from the 1860's-1880's Henry Counsel. He was born on 7th of March 1843, and baptized at St Mary's church Bury on July 9th, 1843. Son of Elizabeth Counsell, Spinster Freetown, Bury.
In 1864 he won Lancashire Wrestling Championship at Copenhagen Grounds, Newton Heath, Manchester. He was only 21, the youngest champion in history. His primary occupation was coal miner. He married Ellen Lord in 1862 at Bury. They had 6 children together. Ellen died in 1888.
Henry married Alice Bent - who already has 6 children from her first marriage.  In 1891 they all are living in Atherton with 11 children in the same house. Henry dies in 1900 at Horwich - n. of Bolton -  and his widow returns to her birthplace at Westhoughton and opens a coffee shop. I would highly appreciate any help on this subject. Thanks in advance. Kind regards, R

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Lancashire / Re: Seth Holden of Bolton
« on: Friday 19 January 18 13:49 GMT (UK)  »
yeah that looks like it could be him, he was a saddler, interesting Holding=Holden, huh, makes sense, and age is matching his sporting records, b. 1814, married 1844, and yeah he was already well known in 1841. Were you able to locate his date of  death?

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Lancashire / Re: Rowley of Bolton
« on: Friday 19 January 18 00:28 GMT (UK)  »
yeah it happens quite often with newspapers.

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