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London and Middlesex / Ever heard of the West Drayton industrial school?
« on: Monday 24 January 22 09:19 GMT (UK)  »
According to a 1907 newspaper article, my gt grandfather was sent to the West Drayton Industrial School (at the age of 17) after committing a crime.

I can't find any record of this institution's existence! There is nothing on Google about it, and I can only find a couple of other newspaper articles that mention it, in the same context of a court recommending a boy be sent there, all in 1907/8.

It must have had another name but I'm at a loss as to what. I've also read that the industrial schools were only for boys up to 16 so curious as to why he'd be sent to one at 17 (his age was known in the article).

Any ideas what school this was?

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The Common Room / Re: Why would somebody be moved to a workhouse in a different part of the country?
« on: Saturday 22 January 22 17:47 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you.

I wonder what the West Drayton Industrial School was from the 1907 article? Google doesn't find anything and there are only 3 results on the British newspaper archive, interestingly all around 1907/8

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The Common Room / Re: Why would somebody be moved to a workhouse in a different part of the country?
« on: Saturday 22 January 22 13:49 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks, that's interesting. I wonder who this Taylor person was he had been living with, the dates fit with him having lived there since leaving the school.

I also thought they'd done away with hard labour by then! Would it have been the treadmill and so on i wonder. I can't find the court report to see where he spent his sentence.

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The Common Room / Re: Why would somebody be moved to a workhouse in a different part of the country?
« on: Saturday 22 January 22 12:18 GMT (UK)  »
Oh this is so interesting, thank you!

Family stories say that he was so hungry when young that he would eat orange peel out of bins :(
What you've found seems to fit in with that.

So when the school register says discharged to service, what does that mean? I guess as he was being described as a tailor afterwards, a tailors apprentice?

He didn't take that back up after the war, he was a sign writer.

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The Common Room / Re: Why would somebody be moved to a workhouse in a different part of the country?
« on: Friday 21 January 22 14:22 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks for looking.

So I guess what happened is he left the Forest Gate school sometime in his teens (although annoyingly I can't find a discharge record) and moved to Liverpool looking for work but ended up in the workhouse there. Perhaps that's where he used an alias George Wilson. It's all guesswork though

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The Common Room / Re: Why would somebody be moved to a workhouse in a different part of the country?
« on: Friday 21 January 22 09:27 GMT (UK)  »
Ancestry, in the London selected poor law removal and settlement records

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The Common Room / Re: Why would somebody be moved to a workhouse in a different part of the country?
« on: Friday 21 January 22 09:21 GMT (UK)  »
Having read it again, I think I misunderstood it...I think it suggests that he had ended up in a Liverpool workhouse but hadn't obtained relief so was being removed back to Poplar. There were no connections to Liverpool that I know about and it says he was using an alias too.

If there is anybody who understands this stuff who wants to have a look - it's William John RANDALL, born 1890 Poplar. Parents Henry Thomas and Sarah.

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The Common Room / Why would somebody be moved to a workhouse in a different part of the country?
« on: Friday 21 January 22 09:07 GMT (UK)  »
My great grandfather was admitted to the Forest Gate District School (London) in 1897, at the age of 7. I see him still there on the 1901 census.

In 1910, at age 20, there is an orders of removal to the West Derby union as he now apparently resides at the Belmont Workhouse in Liverpool. The apparent grounds for removal don't explain anything - they just give details of his birthday, birth address and parents.

I'm confused by this - would there be a reason why somebody would be moved to a completely different poor law union?
Or, could it be that he had left the London workhouse, moved to Liverpool, and then ended up back in a workhouse there?

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: What might this say under Blackfriars?
« on: Saturday 15 January 22 18:40 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: Gadget on Saturday 15 January 22 14:39 GMT (UK)
I was thinking that as I used to call most of my parents' cousins who were their age, aunty and uncle. Also, sometimes, some of their friends/neighbours. 
It means looking through all the parents cousins - a big job.  How far have you got?  I've found a lsit of Pearcey births with mmn Ford but the censuses are confusing. It looks as if there was more than one Pearcey family in Staines having children at the same time.

Have you got any of the marriage certificates which would show witnesses?

I see that your first post was about Emily  :)

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=784296.0

I've not searched too extensively on the Pearcey side as my instincts tell me it was more likely to be a Roffey (father) connection - she grew up in London where they were and knew a least a couple as adults. I've looked at all the cousins on that side. However I think it's entirely possible it was not blood relations who took her in. Perhaps she was recorded in the censuses under a different surname?

Yes, that thread was so helpful!

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