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Annie65115, My Shem and Noah were from Oxford, St Peter le Bailey to be exact. Noah had a daughter Sarah Crapper who married John Brooks and had John Hadden, Sarah (my direct ancestor),Charles Jabez, Aaron and Hannah. I love that I have a Noah in my family. I think he 's maybe my 5 or 6 great-grandfather. My grand-dad Noah. Names could be really interesting in those days! And spelling didn't matter, names were usually written by other people and changed every time. Kind of makes the made up ones of today seem dull and quite usual. Victoria

Hi, I have an Enoch Bretherton, Charles Jabez Brooks, Noah Crapper, Shem, old testament names from non-conformist families (in my case, although these names can also be Jewish in origin). This is actually a good thing because non-conformist records seem to be more thorough than conformist. Funny how Church of Scotland is the usual church past the borders but non-conformist in Manchester. Makes it easier to find my relatives in Manchester though!
Ive also seen Grizel, Lilias and Nicholas for girls names.  I guess they make a change from the usual suspects like the hated "Jean" that invariably became Janet or Jane  or "Ann" that confusingly became the same! 
Victoria Patterson

Thank you Carol and Ciderdrinker, will follow those leads, hopefully I will find something. It's funny how in the search for family history there is always one troublesome ancestor in each branch!
Vicky

Hi, Forgot to mention the 1841 census. James was sent to Prison in 1840. The two girls were with the Smiths on census night while Ann Douglas and the rest of the children were in Lockerbie. (Another mystery is what happened to David Douglas, 5, listed on the 1841 census but not on the 1851 ) All the children, by now orphans are living with eldest brother John Douglas, a confectioner in Dumfries. There were a herd of Smith siblings and I'm still trying to track them all. John Smith was an auctioneer and Sheriff's Officer in Annan, James Douglas became Sheriff's Officer in Lockerbie. Hope this helps, Victoria

Hi, just read the dates and this is an addition to my reply, of course you won't have birth certificates of children born over a hundred years later, lol. But they still had to post banns in different parishes. The date of the wedding should still be recorded on the parish record from whichever parish they actually married in. Also you might find an account of fees recorded by the minister.