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I have a problem with my wife’s great grandparents. I’ve been looking at this so closely for the past weeks that maybe a fresh pair of eyes can spot something I’ve missed.

The couple in question are Felix Beach (or Bache) and Phebe Attwood.

Felix was born in 1837 in Halesowen, then in Shropshire. He can be tracked through the census returns:

1841 HO107/908/6 Folio 47 Page 22 Birmingham Street Halesowen
1851 HO107/2034 Folio 307 Page 10 Great Cornbow, Halesowen, age 13 occupation Labourer
1861 RG9/2062  Folio 66 Page 10, Lodger with Sidaway and Family, occupation Carter
1871 RG10/2995 Folio 10 Page 14  Lodger with Susannah Hodgkiss and family, occupation Labourer
1881 RG11/2884 Folio 97 Page 51 44 Lumbans Bank, Cradley, occupation Carter.

Felix died on 26 April 1881 of Capilliary Bronchitis and Exhaustion. The informant was Betsy (Elizabeth) Wood (nee Attwood), his sister-in-law, who was present at the time of death. (Attwood is mis-transcribed on Ancestry.com as Allwood on some census transcriptions.)

Felix had three children:

Benjamin, born 1871
Felix, born 20 May 1872
George, born 1880

Benjamin appears on the following census returns:

1871 RG10/2994 Folio 119 Page 8
1881 RG11/2862 Folio 110 Page 11
1901 RG13/2762 Folio 110 Page 9

Benjamin was christened by his parents on 6 May 1871 at St Peters, Cradley, but appears to have lived with his grandparents and adopted their surname.

Felix junior and George can be found on the following census returns:

1881 RG11/2882 Folio 97 Page 51
1901 RG13/2733 Folio 65 Page 28

Following their father’s death, Felix junior and George lived with their grandparents, James Attwood and Esther (nee Hampton). Three months after Esther died in 1885, James re-married Harriet Smith (nee Morris), a widow. After James’ death in 1897, Felix and George continued to live with Harriet. On this basis, I assume George was Phebe’s son.

I have a copy of the original of Felix junior’s birth certificate that states:

30 May 1872 Tyes Green, Rowley Regis
Felix Beach
Mother Phebe Beach formerly Attwood
Father’s name and occupation Felix Beach, Carter
Registered by Phebe Beach (she made her mark) on 20 June 1872

The problems I could do with some help with are mainly with Felix senior’s wife (?) Phebe.

1.   There is no record on the birth index for Phebe that I can find for either spelling – Phebe or Phoebe. Successive census returns all place her year of birth as 1850 – 1851, but I've looked +/- 10 years either side.
2.   There is no marriage entry for Phebe or Felix that I can find. However, since Phebe’s parents didn’t marry until 1883, some 17 years after their last child was born, living “over the brush” seemed to be the thing to do. So, did Felix marry Phebe, or did she follow her parent’s example?
3.   There is no death entry for Phebe that I can find. On the basis that George is Phebe’s son, and that she didn’t appear on the 1881 census, did she die between giving birth to George on 1880 and the date of the 1881 census? As her sister Betsy was with Felix when he died, is it correct to assume that Phebe was already dead when Felix died?
4.   Given that George was born some 9 years after Felix junior, were there other children who didn’t survive?
5.   Should I assume that George was Phebe’s son, and if not, could Phebe have married someone else, being an alternative reason I can’t find a death registration? If George wasn’t Phebe’s son, who was his mother?
6.   Where is George’s birth registration entry? On the basis that Phebe registered Felix junior, why wouldn’t she also register George?
7.   Is George a Beach, a Bache, an Attwood, or something else entirely?
8.   What happened to George after 1901?

Because of the Black Country accent, Beach is frequently mis-transcribed as Bache, the “bee” sound being pronounced as “bay” (or since they were all illiterate, same letters, different order    )

Is there any way of getting birth, marriage, and death certificate details without coughing up 7 quid each time to the GRO so that I don’t spend a fortune on wrong certificates in trying to track down any other children that might have been born to Felix and Phebe?

Any help or observations will be gratefully received.

David

"(sigh, not far enough with the Beach family for the moment to make any connection whatsoever   )"

There's also a lot of them ...

Plus the census enumerators confuse the black country accent where e as in bee is pronounced a as in bay giving Bache instead of Beach in more than a few instances. Then there's the transcription errors like Bench instead of Beach.

"The banns book of any of the parishes and the parish register entry would show the parishes of each of the participants 1813 to 1837"

I hadn't realised that - looks like a trip back to Worcester to see dig out a bit more about my Thomas Beach.

Oh, isn't genealogy fun 

David

Try looking at

http://www.stephrobinson.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/

There's more than a few Attwoods there!! And Hamptons, too.

I would be extremely cautious of the IGI tree for Richard Attwood unless you can independently verify its authenticity.

There was a report in the Black Country Bugle a few weeks ago claiming that all Black County Attwoods are related. However, proving it is another matter entirely. I've been trying to track down my wife's Attwood ancestors, but trying to sort out them all out when family sizes were typically 11 or 12 children with no census data to go on, and parent's names not recorded on marriage register entries is a real nightmare. That's assuming they got married. If they were chainmakers in Cradley, they're just a likely to have "jumped over the broom"

David

Slight confusion, I think - the Rabone family's nowt to do with me. I just happen to work in Rabone Lane and know that when we had some deep excavations done at our works, the industrial archealogists were all over the place looking for cellars, foundations, and you name it.