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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: Jeffryes - arrived NZ 1874
« on: Tuesday 10 March 09 09:46 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Lu,
Thanks for looking them up for me.
Henry was a carpenter so probably had no connection with Clements Tonic, I wonder why they chose the name Jeffryes to use in the advertisement, especially the unusual spelling.
The name Jeffryes is always being misspelt.
I had wondered if they may have gone to Australia but it would have been very soon after arriving as there seem to have been no children born in NZ.
Thanks for the Papers Past link.
Best wishes
Derek

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New Zealand Completed Requests / Jeffryes - arrived NZ 1874
« on: Monday 09 March 09 19:30 GMT (UK)  »
A relative Henry Jeffryes b. 1849 and wife Ellen (White) sailed on the Schichallion from London 10th February 1874 - arrived Hawkes Bay (Napier) 26th May 1874. After that they just disappear.
I have just checked the new NZ BMD index and there are no births or deaths for Jeffryes and none under variant spellings.
Anyone have any ideas as to how I can find what happened to them after they arrived in NZ?
Thanks
Derek

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The missing church records have turned out to be those of the Mile End New Town Congregational Chapel/Church in Church St, Mile End New Town.
Most if not all records have been lost from it's founding up to the time in the 1850's when it was relocated as the Trinity Church to Hackney.
Derek

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The Common Room / Re: Where is Downs?
« on: Wednesday 18 February 09 19:51 GMT (UK)  »
I think we are just quessing now and neither of us knows the real answer.
Derek

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The Common Room / Re: Where is Downs?
« on: Wednesday 18 February 09 19:18 GMT (UK)  »
Hi,
I had thought of that one but if they sailed the Bussorah Merchant up to Woolwich would not the port of departure have been Woolwich and not Downs (Deal). It is hardly likely that they would have chartered another ship just to move convicts 60 miles when they could walk.
Derek

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The Common Room / Re: Where is Downs?
« on: Wednesday 18 February 09 18:28 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks to all respondents.
It was a long way from Woolwich, I have been looking much closer to London.
The records say that James Oldfield and a number of others were transfered from the Justitia to the Bussorah Merchant on the 17 Sept 1829. The Bussorah Merchant sailed from Downs (Deal as I now know) on the 6 Oct 1829.
Begs the question how did they get a load of prisoners the 60 miles from Woolwich to Deal? Made them walk I suppose, they had 3 weeks to get there.
Regards
Derek

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The Common Room / Where is Downs?
« on: Wednesday 18 February 09 17:55 GMT (UK)  »
In looking for James Oldfield transported to Tasmania on the Bussorah Merchant in 1829 I noticed that a number of convict transports between 1829 and 1834 are shown a sailing from Downs. The 3 that I have spotted are Harmony 1828, Bussorah Merchant 1829 and Southworth 1833.
The only clue I have is that a number of convicts on the Bussorah Merchant were held on the Justitia Hulk at Woolwich. Could Downs be an alternative name for a port somewhere on the Thames?
Does anyone know where/what Downs is?
Thanks
Derek

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Berkshire Completed Look ups / Re: Binfield marriage look up please
« on: Tuesday 07 October 08 12:42 BST (UK)  »
Hi Nell,
Many thanks for looking it up for me.
Best wishes
Derek

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Devon / Who is Mary KNOWLING?
« on: Wednesday 01 October 08 19:01 BST (UK)  »
My GGG Grandmother Mary Stediford or Stidiford was baptised on the 30 Mar 1773 in Bishopsteignton the illegitimate daughter of Mary Knolling or Knowling.
I have recently obtained from the Devon RO copies of two removal orders for Mary Knowling from Kingsteignton.
The first is dated 23rd April 1772 and orders the removal of Mary Knowling aged about 14 to Sampford Courtnoy (sic).
Denise Hunt the OPC for Sampford Courtenay has very kindly checked the parish register for her birth ca 1758 and finds no Knowlings in Sampford Courtenay around that time. So why they were attempting to remove her to Sampford Courtenay is a bit of a mystery.
The second removal order is dated 7th December 1772 and orders the removal of Mary Knowling spinster to Bishopsteignton. No mention of age this time so possibly she was now considered an adult. Given the baptism date of her daughter, assuming that it is the same person she must have been 5 or 6 months pregnant.
Presumably the first removal order failed for some reason and the second was then served. Why she was accepted in Bishopsteignton is unknown as she does not seem to have been born there and there are no surviving grants of settlement for her or any Knowling family. It is possible that her family were granted settlement in Bishopsteignton and then moved on leaving no trace in the record.
I have not found any bastardy orders, no sign of support from the parish (I checked the few years after the child’s birth) and no marriage or death.
What happened to Mary Knowling where did she come from?
Interestingly on the same date 7th December 1772 there is a removal order for Joseph Stiddiford husbandman from Kingsteignton to Ideford. Is he the father of Mary’s child? What happened to him?
The IGI only has 2 baptisms for Mary Knowling ca 1758 one older and the other much younger. Has anyone found a baptism for Mary Knowling ca 1758?
Derek 

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