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Aberdeenshire / Re: Which exact church in parish
« on: Saturday 29 April 23 17:06 BST (UK)  »
The modern day C of S church in Ballater is Glenmuick church.

The old parish church of Glen Gairn was restored at some stage and although I do not know if it still operates, in the 1970s and early 80s at least it was operating throughout the summer months. If I remember correctly the minister from Ballater came and ran the services on a Sunday afternoon. My family had a cottage in Glen Girnoc near Ballater and we used to go there most Sundays. The three main things I remember were being proudly shown the visitor book signed by both the Queen and Queen Mum, a harvest thanksgiving service where the church was so full I and the other children had to sit on the steps below the pulpit, and most memorable of all, the pan drops you were given as you went in, to suck on during the sermon.

Judging by the map earlier in the thread I suspect the restored church was near but not in exactly the same place as the ruins shown.

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: How Welsh am I?
« on: Saturday 29 April 23 16:18 BST (UK)  »
Contrary to popular belief, there is no such thing as Welsh, Irish, Scottish or indeed Viking DNA. Nor, if you read the small print, do companies such as Ancestry claim there is.

What Ancestry actually does is match your DNA sample against other samples from their database which are considered to represent a particular ethnicity because they and their ancestors have lived within a particular part of the world for several generations.

So having "Scottish" ethnicity does NOT mean you have "Scottish" DNA it simply means you have some DNA which is common in people living in Scotland today, or whose families lived in Scotland for many years.

My own ethnicity for example is registered as 96% Scottish, which makes sense since virtually all of my Ancestors do indeed originate here, but given that my maternal grandparents lived in the COwal Peninsula for generations, it seems exceptionally unlikely that none of them married into families of Norse descent somewhere along the way. So why does almost all of my DNA inheritance come up as Scottish?

Simple. The Norse settled so widely down the coasts of Scotland that practically everyone living in Scotland today has some Norse descent.

As I understand it, the situation goes something like this. Ancestry slices up your DNA into fragments and matches those fragments up with it's databases. A specific fragment will generally show up in varying amounts in several different groups, but Ancestry assigns it to the database which has the highest percentage of the population having that fragment. So if the vagaries of war, famine, population migration and dominant or recessive genes means that 1000 years after one of my ancestors inherited a specific DNA fragment from a Norse settler, that fragment is now more common in those from Scotland than those from Norway, Ancestry assigns that fragment as being "Scottish."

Contrary to all you may see, that's all it does. Ancestry (and every other similar company as far as I am aware) does not say I am "Scottish." All it says is that I share more DNA with people in its Scottish Database than any other.

Having said all that, I agree with the several posts stating that DNA is much more valuable in finding matches to your tree than in ethnicity for those researching their family history. The ethnicity estimates can be a useful pointer, but little more.

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The Lighter Side / Re: Family History Surprises
« on: Tuesday 25 April 23 14:41 BST (UK)  »
I have found numerous odd, unusual and fascinating little titbits, but I will restrict myself to just two.

My grandfather was the youngest of 13 children, but as my mother and aunts mentioned to me on a number of occasions, he didn't even know all his siblings' names, since several died in infancy before he was even born. Thanks to Scotland's People, I now have found all 13 - the most heartbreaking being four children all born in the same year and who all died that same year.

In January 1873, my great grandmother Esther Shannon gave birth to twins George and Marion Grant. George died the next day, and Marion five days after that. Even worse, in December, a second pair of twins, named George and Richard were born, prematurely, and again both died within a few days.

Perhaps understandably, there is some confusion over George's name since his death register gives his name as John, but since there is an elder, surviving John, George seems likely to be correct. Esther Shannon's father was a George Shannon (and my first impregnable brick wall). whilst her husband John Grant's father was Richard. In all John and Easter had three sons called Richard and three named George, all of whom died young, and Esther would outlive all but 3 of her 13 children.
When my grandfather was born, perhaps in hopes of breaking the pattern, he was given a name which does not fit the Scottish naming tradition. Obviously, it worked. Even allowing for the fact that infant mortality was much higher in those days, I cannot imagine how terrible it must have been to lose 4 children in one year, and can only admire her strength of will.

My second example is much more of a genuine surprise and a happier WOW moment. One of the brick walls in my tree was a Mary Danskin married to James More. We had the names from their son John's death register, but that was all. No births for either parent and no marriage either.

Without a paper trial, I resorted to trawling Ancestry and Ancestry family trees suggested the possibility that Mary was the daughter of a William Danskine and Ann Main, but still without any concrete evidence that I could see. As a trial, I added them to my private "experimental" tree, and started following some of the siblings of William, when lo and behold up popped a scan of a page from a family bible which gave a potted history of the family and specifically mentioned that William and Ann's daughter Mary married a James More, described as "an elder of the kirk." It transpired that the More family were both members of the free church who walked from Airdrie to Cowdenbeath every Sunday rather attend the services of the minister of the established Church of Scotland in Airdrie (hence the lack of parish registers).

Although I have not found Mary and James themselves I have subsequently found "other church" registers for siblings, and now have at least 12 DNA matches through siblings of Ann Main or William Danskine. Ancestry hints can be complete rubbish, as we all know, but just now and then you find a real gem.

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United States of America / Re: Does a middle initial always indicate a name?
« on: Tuesday 25 April 23 00:33 BST (UK)  »
I have seen a few US records listed as "Joe J. Smith" where the J is in fact "Junior".

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: Can a DNA test help prove a link?
« on: Thursday 13 April 23 15:32 BST (UK)  »
I have 18 DNA matches that Thrulines connect to my 3G Grandfather Thomas Donald, 12 of which I have confirmed myself.

5 are through his two sons by his first wife Martha Steel (my 3G Grandmother) whilst the other 13 (12 confirmed) are through his second wife Janet Brown.

I had already seen Thomas appearing in other trees married to Janet Brown, but prior to the DNA evidence I had no "proof" that the Thomas Donald married to Janet Brown was indeed the widower of Martha Steel.

So my answer would be that DNA can provide evidence alongside the usual paper trails to confirm a match

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The Common Room / Re: Relationship according to Ancestry tree
« on: Thursday 13 April 23 14:24 BST (UK)  »
I have had thrulines which have shown 2 matches descended from the same person, with the exact same descendants for two or three generations, yet Ancestry still classes one as a xth cousin and the other as a xth half cousin.

On at least one occasion there were some 20 trees which traced the same line all of which agreed with my tree (including both trees of actual DNA matches) except for one, unsourced tree, yet Thrulines still showed the line as the one through the single tree in preference to all the others.

In fairness to Ancestry, they do emphasise that Thrulines are just a special form of HINT, not a definitive match.

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The Common Room / Re: Roots.tech scam
« on: Wednesday 12 October 22 12:27 BST (UK)  »
Spam filters work in mysterious ways - and are not infallible.

On at least two occasions, my salary notification has been sent to the spam folder.

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The Common Room / Re: Ancestry DNA - limit to common ancestors or tree surnames?
« on: Tuesday 04 October 22 13:20 BST (UK)  »
Not a source exactly, but where there are no common surnames at all, it says "Your direct ancestors do not share any of the same surnames as [name removed]'s ancestors from the last 10 generations"

I copied that directly from the DNA match page for a match that I have placed in my tree, and whose great grandmother's maiden name is the same as my mother's maiden name. His tree only goes as far as his grandparents, though, so his great grandmother (the link to my maternal line) is not in his tree.

It also has to be exactly the same - I have a 3rd cousin match who has not capitalised the surnames in his tree, and that is enough for there to be no surname matches, even though he is descended in the male line from my 2XG grandfather and we both have the name in our direct lines (i.e. it doesn't recognise "smith" and "Smith" as the same name).

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The Common Room / Re: Ancestry DNA - limit to common ancestors or tree surnames?
« on: Tuesday 04 October 22 12:26 BST (UK)  »
Common surnames only go back ten generations, and only show if the surname appears as a direct ancestor on both your linked tree and the match's linked tree.

Thrulines (and hence common ancestors) only go back to 5XG grandparents.

Ancestry does periodically rescan trees to update Thrulines. I just happened across a family marriage by accident a few weeks ago (It was on the same page of the register on Scotland's People as another family member that I was researching at the time.) Recognising the name (or more accurately the bride's parents' names) I checked and sure enough it matched a daughter I currently had in my tree, so I added the spouse. Two days later I had a new thruline through one of the daughters of the couple I had just added.

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