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Berkshire Lookup Requests / Re: Rebeecca Lovege [or Lovedge]
« on: Tuesday 14 February 23 22:35 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: QueenoftheWest on Tuesday 14 February 23 19:16 GMT (UK)
Hi Matt,

A few thoughts:

Quote from: MattD30 on Tuesday 14 February 23 15:58 GMT (UK)
I think this is probably the right family and I think Daisy has found the right christening for Rebecca in 1671. It seems there is no father named on her christening but the date fits with the marriage you found for Robert Lovadge and Rebecca Ratcliffe.

Regarding this comment, I don't think the transcription implies that there was no father named, just that the father's name is illegible. This could be for several reasons: smudging, fading, stains or rips and tears in the paper. The fact that the child's name is also not transcribed makes me think that the page is rather seriously damaged.

Quote from: MattD30 on Tuesday 14 February 23 15:58 GMT (UK)
Robertus Lovedge - christened 22 September 1644 Welford, Berkshire
Father - Robert Lovedge.

This is very possible, but I personally don't feel there is currently enough to support this (or contradict it; just not enough evidence either way). If I were you, I would perhaps add it to my tree with an asterisk indicating that it is currently just a hypothesis.

The issue here is essentially the same as I mentioned above in that we cannot see the images of the register, so we have no way of knowing what is missing/illegible/incorrectly transcribed. I am not sure when or if the Berkshire Record Office will ever get round to digitising parish registers and wills, and I am in the same boat as you hoping that they eventually will.

I suppose a lot of genealogy is a waiting game, hoping that more will become available to help us with our research.

Queenie  :)

Good points and yes I agree sometimes genealogy is a waiting game. Sometimes I find it is also case of looking at all possible threads and working out the impossible. After all "once you elimate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth".

At the moment it's a lead but that's all I think. It's definitely a possibility but there's more digging to do.

Matt

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Sussex Lookup Requests / Re: Henry Hull [or Hall] and Susanna Chapman
« on: Tuesday 14 February 23 21:53 GMT (UK)  »
This may be a possible christening for Susannah

Susanna Chapman dau of William and Jane 1 September 1677 Blectchingley, Surrey.

Bletchingley is only a short distance from Horley and borders Burstow so I definitely think it's worth looking into. The mother's name is either Jane or Jone, Familysearch has "Jane" and Ancestry has "Jone" and it looks more like "Jone" on the actual register entry. Unfortunately I can't find a marriage for William but I have found other children.

Definitely onto something here I think.

Matt

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Sussex Lookup Requests / Re: Henry Hull [or Hall] and Susanna Chapman
« on: Tuesday 14 February 23 21:28 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: QueenoftheWest on Tuesday 14 February 23 19:53 GMT (UK)
Transcription of marriage licence:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01s3x/

He is down as Henry Hall; the surety was Robert Hall of Horsham, gent.

Queenie  :)

Thanks for the transcript. I've seen the original [which I can't find now] but I hadn't seen this. Interestingly this transcript gives Henry's place of residence as "Bouncy". I've found the record on Ancestry which also seems to have "Bouncy" on but I can't see a place by that name.

Hopefully I can find the copy of the record I have and compare them.

I should have put on my original message that the surname spelling seems to vary with his children, and between records. In one case I found a record where the PR looks like Hall but the BT which looks clearer seems to say Hull lol! In most cases it seems to be "Hall" though so I will look out for that name.

At least I have some bits to go with here.

Many thanks
Matt

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Sussex Lookup Requests / Re: Henry Hull [or Hall] and Susanna Chapman
« on: Tuesday 14 February 23 21:10 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: Pheno on Tuesday 14 February 23 19:41 GMT (UK)
Hi Matt, the detail of their marriage licence from Archdeaconry of Chichester states Susannah Chapman of Burstow in Surrey so may be worth looking there.

Pheno

Added: according to Google there is a Burstow in/near Horley, which is in Surrey.

Thanks for that. According to the transcript which Queenie gave the link to Susanna was from "Barstow, co Surrey" so this seems to be the place. Time for me to go back to the map and see if I can track anyone down in that area.

Thank you again

Matt

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Sussex Lookup Requests / Henry Hull [or Hall] and Susanna Chapman
« on: Tuesday 14 February 23 16:09 GMT (UK)  »
I hope someone can help me here.

Henry Hull [or Hall - the writing is unclear] married Susanna Chapman at Worth, Sussex on 30 April 1704. On the parish register entry he is described as being "of Bolney" and she is "of Burstow".

So far I can't locate Burstow on the map but I'm sure I've seen it. I don't know how old Susanna was but I estimate she was probably in her 20s as she had four children between 1706 and 1713. Can anyone pinpoint "Burstow" or suggest a possible christening for her?

Henry himself is a bit more tricky. Sometimes on the original registers the name clearly looks like "Hall" with the top of middle letter clearly closed, but in other cases it is open making the name "Hull" and the records seem to have been transcribed with both spellings. I expect it should be "Hull" as it is spelt that way in later records. Again I have not been able to pinpoint a Henry Hull or "Hall" in Bolney or the nearby area that might tie up with this marriage.

Does anyone have any ideas for Henry at all?

Thanks in advance for any ideas and help.

Matt

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Berkshire Lookup Requests / Re: Rebeecca Lovege [or Lovedge]
« on: Tuesday 14 February 23 15:58 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: QueenoftheWest on Friday 10 February 23 22:17 GMT (UK)
I also cannot find an obvious baptism for this lady, so I'm going to take a "think outside the box" approach.

When looking at the names of the couple's parents, I like first to look at the names of their children, as many couples (albeit, not all) followed traditional naming patterns. However, I cannot view an image of the parish register and I can only find transcriptions for 2 children:

- Francis (1691)
- William (1705)

There were obviously children born in between, including 2 daughters, whose husbands are mentioned in Francis' will. For others, here is a link to a free copy of Francis' will:
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D630364

Can see a mention of Francis (1691) in there, but did not see any other sons (having said that, it is rather long and I only skimmed it).

I then went about finding others who lived in Newbury and shared Rebecca's uncommon surname. I then found this marriage:
Robert Lovadge married Rebecca Ratcliffe on 24th August 1670 at St Nicholas, Newbury, by banns.

Searching for their children, I again found large gaps:
- Robert (exact year of baptism unknown, but between 1660-99)
- James (1676)

Could they have been Rebecca's parents? She would have been under the age of 21 when she married Francis, but it is possible she was the eldest daughter and could have been at least 18 in 1690.

An administration and inventory of the estate of a Robert Loveidge, weaver of Newbury, took place in 1696. Unfortunately, since this is just an administration, it is unlikely to provide a definitive answer as to whether he was Rebecca's father.

Just though I would share my theory!

Queenie  :)

Hi Queenie

Thanks for your help. I think this is probably the right family and I think Daisy has found the right christening for Rebecca in 1671. It seems there is no father named on her christening but the date fits with the marriage you found for Robert Lovadge and Rebecca Ratcliffe.

I think the following may be the christening for Robert Lovadge

Robertus Lovedge - christened 22 September 1644 Welford, Berkshire
Father - Robert Lovedge.

I can't find a marriage for Robert snr but there is also a daughter named Dorothy christened in 1633.

What do you think?

Matt


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Berkshire Lookup Requests / Re: Rebeecca Lovege [or Lovedge]
« on: Tuesday 14 February 23 01:41 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks to both Queenie and Daisy

I definitely think you've got something there and I recon we are onto something here. The "out of the box" approach used by Queenie is very similar to an approach I use sometimes.

I will take a proper look tomorrow after work and see if I can add anything as well.

Matt

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Berkshire Lookup Requests / Re: William Page and Sarah Elton
« on: Tuesday 14 February 23 01:28 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: rosie99 on Saturday 11 February 23 17:52 GMT (UK)
According to Berks FHS some registers do not cover the period you are after for Newbury parish
https://berksfhs.org/info/berkipedia/church-cemetery/

Ohh that's not good news but at least I know. Obviously they may have been from elsewhere too so I will keep my eyes open in case I spot anyone in another parish.

Matt

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Berkshire Lookup Requests / Re: William Page and Sarah Elton
« on: Tuesday 14 February 23 01:26 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: Milliepede on Saturday 11 February 23 15:29 GMT (UK)
Elton may not have been her birth name. 

Or she could have dropped a letter so it was Helton for example.

That's a good point. I did wonder about the name and wondered if "Helton" may be a variation. I will keep it in mind.

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