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London and Middlesex / Re: Long shot with the Donovans
« on: Saturday 27 February 21 19:01 GMT (UK)  »
Well this gets more confusing. I've been looking to see if I can find any more children and I've found several children born in the right area and time frame whose mother's maiden name was Murray, but further research has shown that these appear to be a different family altogether.

These are the other children I've found

Nellie Elizabeth Donovan - Sep Qtr 1882 - Mother's Maiden Name = Murray
Thomas Henry Donovan - Mar Qtr 1888 - Mother's Maiden Name = Murray
Annie Donovan - Dec Qtr 1889 - Mother's Maiden Name = Murray
John Philip Donovan - Sep Qtr 1891 - Mother's Maiden Name = Murray

I found a christening for Thomas at the RC church of St Mary & St Michael's Commercial Road which show that he was born 18 Dec 1887 and baptised there on 15 Jan 1888. This shows his parents as Gulielmi Joannis Donovan and Ellene Murray.

This looks like their marriage:

William Donovan and Ellen Murray - March Qtr 1886 St George in the East

So there was obviously a second Donovan family in the area with Murray as the mother's maiden name.

This means these people can't be part of my family, and don't think this William is connected to my lot.

So I know what happened to two of the children [Florence John and Emma Jannette] and I know  that George and Catherine are alive in 1911. Also the two other siblings William John, and Edward Richard appear to have died before 1911.

So I'm left with missing children in my tree for whom so far I can't find births/christenings or deaths/burials. Maybe I'll never know who they were.

I'll leave this puzzle here for now though. Hoping to find out what happened to Catherine and George Henry post 1911 now.

Matt

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London and Middlesex / Re: Long shot with the Donovans
« on: Saturday 27 February 21 13:51 GMT (UK)  »
Please can I ask for no replies to this post until I have updated it from my notes and done a few checks for missing people.

This will save any information getting posted twice.

Many Thanks

Matt

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London and Middlesex / Re: Long shot with the Donovans
« on: Saturday 27 February 21 13:48 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks everyone for all these replies. I don't think my original post gave enough details however so I'm adding a bit more here. Firstly based on the post by crisane I think I may be missing a few births as I am only aware of the following 7 children and I know that 2 of these had descendants.

From the sources I have accessed [Birth Certificates, Parish Registers, Marriage Certificates, Census Returns, Death Certificates, Burial Records, 1939 Register] I know of the following children:

Ada Alice Donovan born 7 February 1881 in St George in the East [Birth Cert] and christened on 1 June 1881 [St George in the East PR]

Florence John Donovan born 4 February 1884 in St George in the East. He is my ancestor and died in 1943. He married in 1907 as "John Donovan" and was living elsewhere at the time of the 1911 census. I have him and his family on the census so I know where he was .

William John Donovan born 15 November 1885 [Birth Certificate] and christened on 12 January 1886 at the church of St Peter's, London Docks.

George Henry Donovan born 26 October 1886 [Birth Cert] and christened 13 November 1889 in St George in the East.

Emma Janette Donovan born 6 February 1888 [Birth Cert and 1939 Register] and christened 29 February 1888 in St George in the East. She married John Jonathon Rigluth in 1909 and I have her elsewhere with her family on the 1911 census and also know she was living in 1939 as I have her and her on the 1939 Register. I am in contact with two of her descendants.

Kate Donovan [or Catherine?] born c1891 Whitechpel - I only have her name from the census so I know nothing about else about her and can't say if she died or married or even exactly when she was born.

Edward Richard Donovan born c1898 St George in the East - again I have his name and approx year of birth from the census but nothing beyond that. I think I may have his christening record as well but I don't have it to hand.

So from what I know and have established, I am aware of the following 7 children:

Ada Alice Dononovan  - born 1881
Florence John Donovan - born 1884 - living elsewhere in 1911 and died in 1943
William John Donovan - born 1885 - potentially died before 1886
George Henry Donovan - born 1886 - possibly died before 1911
Emma Janette Donovan - born 1888 - married in 1909 and living elsewhere in 1911
Kate Donovan - born c1891 Whitechapel - no other info known
Edward Richard Donovan - born 1898

There is potentially another William John born in 1886 based on info posted here if the first William died as suggetsed. That brings the total of known children to 8.

If we assume that George, Edward, and possibly Kate died young, then that brings the total above to four children [assuming William died and they named another child William and he lived].

I have the 1911 census in my files and have noted that it says 11 children born, 6 alive, and 5 dead. This is something I forgot to add in my post lol!

Now if the 1911 census suggests there are 11 children and 5 died then it looks like I am missing some births/christenings for other children. Obviously  the five who died would could include  Edward, and maybe both Williams. That means I have four children unaccounted for.

As I say all of what I know above all of the info I have is based on established sources [including school records as well] so I am happy with what I have so far but it would be interesting to confirm who the missing ones were.

I think some children may have died in infancy or between census returns.

It would be nice to find out what happened to George or Catherine after 1911 as I would like to track down descendants of these two if any exist.

Anyhow I'll see if I can locate those missing kids and deaths for them.

Many thanks to everyone here.
Matt


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London and Middlesex / Re: Long shot with the Donovans
« on: Saturday 27 February 21 12:32 GMT (UK)  »
There are two birth registrations for a William John Donovan mother's maiden name Murray.
DONOVAN, WILLIAM  JOHN  mmn   MURRAY 
GRO Reference: 1885  D Quarter in SAINT GEORGE IN THE EAST  Vol 1C  Page 403
   
DONOVAN, WILLIAM  JOHN  mmn MURRAY 
GRO Reference: 1887  M Quarter in SAINT GEORGE IN THE EAST  Vol 1C  Page 372


Possible death for  William John Donovan 1888 age 1 St George in the east London

Rosie

Hi

Thanks for that. I just realised I have that noted down in my files but I wasn't sure if it was their son as I haven't been able to locate a burial and I haven't seen death certificate to confirm he was their son. I'll have to check my files just in case though.

Matt

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Surrey / Re: Alice Carder
« on: Saturday 27 February 21 12:11 GMT (UK)  »
FreeBMD has a 1874 Marriage for a William CARDER, a Presland on same page

Thanks

Is it possible to see the parish registers for Forest Hill online anywhere? It might be easier trace her now I have potential parents.

Matt

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Surrey / Re: Alice Carder
« on: Saturday 27 February 21 12:08 GMT (UK)  »
You can search the indexes here, you just have to register:

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/menu.asp

CARDER, ALICE  AUGUSTA
Mother's maiden surname: PRESLAND     
GRO Reference: 1876  M Quarter in LEWISHAM UNION  Volume 01D  Page 1010

Debra  :)

Hi Debra

Thanks for that. I actually found this last night after posting the message but didn't have time to add a note here.

Matt

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Kent / Re: Frederick C Richardson 1884
« on: Saturday 27 February 21 02:20 GMT (UK)  »
Possibility for 1911

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWQR-55J

Many thanks, I'll follow it up tomorrow. Looks promising.

Matt

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London and Middlesex / Long shot with the Donovans
« on: Saturday 27 February 21 02:18 GMT (UK)  »
Hi all

I am hoping someone may be able to help me track down christenings for three people or possibly locate them in the 1939 Register.

The first person is Edward Richard Donovan who was born in St George in the East and was the youngest son of Florence Donovan and Emma Esther Murray.

Although I have him on the 1901 census I can't find him beyond there and I also can't find a burial or death for him.

I'd love to know what happened to him so hope someone can help.

I have christenings for the following people but have been unable to find either of them in the 1939 Register:

William John Donovan born 15 November 1885 Wapping

George Henry Donovan born 26 October 1886 St George in the East

Can anyone help with these people?

Many Thanks
Matt

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Kent / Re: Frederick C Richardson 1884
« on: Saturday 27 February 21 02:09 GMT (UK)  »
Birth registration of him and two others

RICHARDSON, CHARLES  ERNEST     SPICE 
GRO Reference: 1886  S Quarter in EAST ASHFORD  Volume 02A  Page 814

RICHARDSON, FRANK  JAMES     SPICE 
GRO Reference: 1882  D Quarter in EAST ASHFORD  Volume 02A  Page 789
   
RICHARDSON, FREDERICK  CHARLES     SPICE 
GRO Reference: 1884  D Quarter in EAST ASHFORD  Volume 02A  Page 809

Wow that's fast work! Thank you.

I have christening records for Charles and Frank so know where they were born/christened but I am stuck with Frederick. The East Ashford District covers both Kennington and Boughton Aluph so I'm hoping to pin down his christening as well.

Anyhow thanks again for the info.

Best Wishes
Matt

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