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Nottinghamshire / Re: Richard Clayton North Wheatley
« on: Wednesday 28 February 24 10:06 GMT (UK) »
William Shaw was probably buried Clarborough 1797 - taken from Nottinghamshire Burial Index.
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Nottinghamshire / Re: Richard Clayton North Wheatley
« on: Wednesday 28 February 24 10:00 GMT (UK) »
Ann was a widow when she married Charles Hudson.
Ann Clayton m William Shaw East Retford 18 May 1788, Ann of North Wheatley.
Ann Shaw m Charles Hudson East Retford 6 Jul 1801. Charles widower, Ann of Clarebro (Clarborough), which is midway between North Wheatley and Retford.
Hope this helps.
Ann Clayton m William Shaw East Retford 18 May 1788, Ann of North Wheatley.
Ann Shaw m Charles Hudson East Retford 6 Jul 1801. Charles widower, Ann of Clarebro (Clarborough), which is midway between North Wheatley and Retford.
Hope this helps.
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Suffolk / Re: Mornement in or around Hoxne and Southery C 1700
« on: Sunday 11 February 24 09:13 GMT (UK) »
Hi Essnell,
Thanks for giving us the update. I’ve just sent you a PM.
Thanks for giving us the update. I’ve just sent you a PM.
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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: Advice or Suggestions Welcomed
« on: Wednesday 24 January 24 10:38 GMT (UK) »
I agree with Biggles50 it’s likely. We certainly have DNA matches at the same level to a group with a common family name who emigrated to North America from Hull in the 1830s and have managed to establish the link. The BMD records were comparable and the clincher in our case was finding the family on immigration records.
If you haven’t already done it, my advice would be where you can to work carefully up the line in your matches’ tree(s) checking the dates against any BMD evidence in the US. Often people use census data alone, which is less reliable as it gives ages rather than calendar years. That might help identify Joseph/James more closely. Also, have the four trees been developed independently or have they ‘cut and paste’ from one another’s? Do you think they are closely related (e.g. brothers and sisters/parent and child) and tested as a joint project? If so, it would be a good idea to develop your own private tree for the direct line, ignoring (or at least not uncritically accepting) any hints once you get back beyond grandparents.
Lan OPC are still adding records so worth checking back.
If you haven’t already done it, my advice would be where you can to work carefully up the line in your matches’ tree(s) checking the dates against any BMD evidence in the US. Often people use census data alone, which is less reliable as it gives ages rather than calendar years. That might help identify Joseph/James more closely. Also, have the four trees been developed independently or have they ‘cut and paste’ from one another’s? Do you think they are closely related (e.g. brothers and sisters/parent and child) and tested as a joint project? If so, it would be a good idea to develop your own private tree for the direct line, ignoring (or at least not uncritically accepting) any hints once you get back beyond grandparents.
Lan OPC are still adding records so worth checking back.
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Suffolk / Re: Mornement in or around Hoxne and Southery C 1700
« on: Tuesday 23 January 24 01:28 GMT (UK) »
The family were apparently in Diss in October 1741 as John took on an apprentice there and paid duties. His later apprentices were taken on in Hoxne.
Maybe the family’s move was the other way round, i.e. they moved to Diss in March 1741 and the certificate was issued by the overseer in Hoxne. The parish would keep a copy of the certificate in case of challenge.
There’s a helpful explanation onGenuki (Sorry! Amended - should read ‘Norfolk Archives’) on who needed to have settlement certificates and when they were issued.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01sy6/
coombs mentioned in an earlier post that Hoxne was a centre for linen weaving into the 18th century and it could be that John and Sarah went to Diss (which is a large, prosperous market town) when the trade started to decline and returned to Hoxne some years later when there was a new opportunity. There could also be family reasons behind some of the moves - maybe John went to Hoxne in the first place because he had family connections, inherited some land or something similar. The connections could be on either parent’s side.
Another move - John’s (presumed) father in Shipdham probably wasn’t from that parish originally - there are no Moniments in the Shipdham parish records before John married Mary.
It wasn’t typical for people to move far for work but it certainly happened. Norfolk and Suffolk had a relatively good road network, and there were lots of social/family ties around the region. One of my own family moved 20 miles west to east across Norfolk in 1740 when he completed his apprenticeship, to a village where he had distant cousins.
The 1741 settlement comes under Hoxne parish records, and has John Monument, Sarah his wife, with John, William and Lydia their children, Diss, Norfolk, 30 March 1741. I guess it means they were living in Hoxne by then, as they ahd done for some years, and had become legally settled there in 1741, and they were no longer beholden to Diss.
Maybe the family’s move was the other way round, i.e. they moved to Diss in March 1741 and the certificate was issued by the overseer in Hoxne. The parish would keep a copy of the certificate in case of challenge.
There’s a helpful explanation on
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01sy6/
coombs mentioned in an earlier post that Hoxne was a centre for linen weaving into the 18th century and it could be that John and Sarah went to Diss (which is a large, prosperous market town) when the trade started to decline and returned to Hoxne some years later when there was a new opportunity. There could also be family reasons behind some of the moves - maybe John went to Hoxne in the first place because he had family connections, inherited some land or something similar. The connections could be on either parent’s side.
Another move - John’s (presumed) father in Shipdham probably wasn’t from that parish originally - there are no Moniments in the Shipdham parish records before John married Mary.
It wasn’t typical for people to move far for work but it certainly happened. Norfolk and Suffolk had a relatively good road network, and there were lots of social/family ties around the region. One of my own family moved 20 miles west to east across Norfolk in 1740 when he completed his apprenticeship, to a village where he had distant cousins.
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Suffolk / Re: Mornement in or around Hoxne and Southery C 1700
« on: Saturday 20 January 24 21:08 GMT (UK) »
John Moniment (FreeReg)/Moriment (FindMyPast) bapt 8 May 1709, Shipdham, to John and Mary - transcriptions only.
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Suffolk / Re: Mornement in or around Hoxne and Southery C 1700
« on: Saturday 20 January 24 20:54 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for your reply Essnell. I’ve sent you a PM. With luck we might be able to establish whether there’s a Norfolk link.
There is an apprenticeship record for 9 Dec 1722 of John son of John Monument of Shipdham to Thos Hughes of Shipdham Taylr. Do you think this could be your John? He would be quite old for an apprentice but perhaps as Coombs suggests on the other thread he could have been born later than 1707.
There is an apprenticeship record for 9 Dec 1722 of John son of John Monument of Shipdham to Thos Hughes of Shipdham Taylr. Do you think this could be your John? He would be quite old for an apprentice but perhaps as Coombs suggests on the other thread he could have been born later than 1707.
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Norfolk / Re: Anyone with access to Norfolk Parish registers BEFORE 1707.
« on: Saturday 13 January 24 14:18 GMT (UK) »
It will be difficult to decide without access to some of the Suffolk PRs, including baptisms for Hoxne prior to 1754. That would hopefully give you names for Sarah’s parents (unless you have them from another source?). There are a couple of Roper marriages in the right timeframe (John + Mary 1698 or Henry + Sarah 1712/13 seem the most likely).
The Hoxne baptism registers do exist but Suffolk FHS haven’t completed work on them yet. They are due to be available through Anc* from 2025 and there are plenty of Rootschatters who can help you with the details of what is due when.
I do still think John is more likely to have moved into the area from Norfolk as the first time I can spot the family name in the Suffolk Archives is a settlement certificate in 1741, when your family (John MONUMENT, wife Sarah and children John, William and Lydia) moved (back) from Diss in Norfolk to Hoxne.
The Hoxne baptism registers do exist but Suffolk FHS haven’t completed work on them yet. They are due to be available through Anc* from 2025 and there are plenty of Rootschatters who can help you with the details of what is due when.
I do still think John is more likely to have moved into the area from Norfolk as the first time I can spot the family name in the Suffolk Archives is a settlement certificate in 1741, when your family (John MONUMENT, wife Sarah and children John, William and Lydia) moved (back) from Diss in Norfolk to Hoxne.
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Norfolk / Re: Anyone with access to Norfolk Parish registers BEFORE 1707.
« on: Saturday 13 January 24 12:56 GMT (UK) »
There’s also John Moniment, baptism at Shipdham in May 1709, son of John and Mary. Could fit a typical naming pattern for John and Sarah’s children.
No signs in the PRs down near the Norfolk/Suffolk border though.
No signs in the PRs down near the Norfolk/Suffolk border though.