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Essex / Turner of Bluntshall, Essex
« on: Tuesday 02 March 21 11:33 GMT (UK)  »
In 1785 a grant of arms to Rev Dr Richard Turner LL.D. (1720 - 1791) indicates that he previously used the arms of Turner of Bluntshall (Encyclopaedia of Heraldry, Burke, 1851) and wanted to differentiate his branch. Richard Turner was baptised in Great Witley Worcs, son of Thomas Turner.

Can anyone help tie Rev Turner to the Essex branch? I am getting nowhere working backwards the line dries up with this Rev Richard Turner.

I cant work forwards because I dont know who the Turners of Bluntshall are - are they the same, or related to, Sir Edward Turnor 1617-1676?

Thanks

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Heraldry Crests and Coats of Arms / Re: Turner coat of arms
« on: Monday 01 March 21 16:22 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks. None of the entries match EXACTLY - in the 1884 but in the 1851 there is one - Turner of Bluntshall, Essex. Interestingly the award to Richard Turner is not in the 1851 but is included in the 1884 edition.

When the application was made, and granted on 26 July 1785, for a variation I imagine the applicant, Rev Richard Turner, would have to have supplied a genealogy to prove entitlement. Would this application and genealogy by published anywhere? Like the visitations perhaps? or would I have to apply to the college of arms to see the associated archive?

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Heraldry Crests and Coats of Arms / Turner coat of arms
« on: Monday 01 March 21 11:00 GMT (UK)  »
In 1785 a coat of arms was awarded to Rev. Richard Turner, Clerk. see https://books.google.co.uk/books/download/Miscellanea_Genealogica_Et_Heraldica.pdf?id=Ztjtx2j68AsC&output=pdf&sig=ACfU3U07vEy-rZQwT3xZU8kRWQBfYmtxfQ pdf page 174, book page 157.
The text states 'his Family have used for Arms Ermine on a Cross voided four Mill-rinds’ and he wanted his own variation.
Can anyone help identify who the original arms were awarded to please.

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Worcestershire / Re: King School Worcerster and Worcester Royal Grammar
« on: Monday 01 March 21 10:10 GMT (UK)  »
Does anyone know of a school in Cooken (now Copenhagen) ST in Worcester in the 1750s which may have been run by Richard Turner and have had a pupil called William Hancock Roberts?

Apparently it is referenced in 

G. H. Cameron, John Cameron - non-juror, printed privately by Roger and Broome, Cowley, 1919,
available in Birmingham Reference Library. The chapter from which this information is taken is entitled 'A Romantic Story" and is largely concerned with William Roberts, father of William Hancock Roberts. However, it is partly corroborated by the Glasgow College minute book and some of it at least is based on contemporary sources, in particular an informal ledger cum notebook kept by William Roberts (Worcester Record Office, St. Helens).

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Worcestershire / Re: King School Worcerster and Worcester Royal Grammar
« on: Tuesday 23 February 21 18:08 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks. Yes I have seen the clergy database. I cant hep wondering how he had timr to be a teacher, given his clerical commitments. In later life he was a teacher at Loughborough House School (confusingly it was in Brixton), but the clerical database shows his appoinments were only vacant on his death.
Henry Turner could be a relation - a brother or cousin - as I said I am trying to find his ancestry. His father was Thomas. The baptism at Great WItley is a best fit as his Oxford Matriculation says  he is from Great Webley Worcs. There is no such place. There are however other Thomas Turner's having children in Weobley Herefordshire, Ebley in Goucestershire has a child Richard in 1719, who then does ot follw his father into the milling business - he just disappears - no death noted. There are also other Thomas Turners with children, but no other Richard found.
As I said Rev Turners ANcestry is obscure - I am waiting to get to the HIve to do more 'digging'

I have already emailed both schools, Kings replied - furloughed wait until I get back. No reply from Queens.

Allan
Allan

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Worcestershire / Re: King School Worcerster and Worcester Royal Grammar
« on: Monday 22 February 21 22:20 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks for that

CAn you put a date on Alderman Henry Turner - Richard Turner's ancestry is obscure.

Allan

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Worcestershire / King School Worcerster and Worcester Royal Grammar
« on: Monday 22 February 21 11:24 GMT (UK)  »
Does anyone have acees to the following books?
A. Macdonald, A History of the King's School, Worcester (1936)
M. Craze, King's School, Worcester (1972)
F. W. Follett, A History of the Worcester Royal Grammar School (1951 )
note: Royal Grammar School was previously called Free Grammar School.

Rev Richard Turner (1720-1791) is supposedly a teacher in Worcester in 1761 - does he get a mention?

Acording to https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=486916.9 Tthe Wylde family have an association with the Free Grammar - did they still have a connection with either school in the period 1720-1770?

According to https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/A_Concise_Description_of_the_Endowed_Gra/rY-8ceSYvWoC?hl=en&gbpv=1 page 776/777
The Free Grammer had a legacy to send 10 poor students to Magdalen Hall, Oxford. Rev Richard Turner matriculated from Magdalen Hall - was he one of these poor students?

Any help greatfully received - 'cos until archive reopen I'm stuck!

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Worcestershire / Re: Richard Turner circa 1720-1791, Birth Weobley Hereford or Witley Worcs?
« on: Tuesday 09 February 21 13:03 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks. That means the Thos/Mary marriage is too late fro the 1720 birth. SO possibly a first wifes death in between.

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Worcestershire / Re: Richard Turner circa 1720-1791, Birth Weobley Hereford or Witley Worcs?
« on: Monday 08 February 21 16:58 GMT (UK)  »
If we ever get to igo out again I might just make the trek to the Hive for heck of it!

Thanks

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