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The Common Room / Finding identity of man mentioned in probate record.
« on: Sunday 08 January 23 01:18 GMT (UK)  »
Philip Wilkinson was born on the 13th of August 1893 in London, England, to Conrad Augustus (1864 - 1915) and Maud Alice (1874 - ?) Wilkinson. He married Maria Sarah 'Marie' Golding in 1921, and they had a daughter who died in infancy. They had separated by 1928. I do not believe he remarried. He died 24th November 1954 in Hackney or Stoke Newington, London, England. In his probate record (20 May 1955), the recipient (?) is listed as George Howard Wilkinson, printer. Although this man is obviously related to Philip, I am not sure how. I have not found Philip to have had any cousins by this name (though George was a family name), and he was an only child. Can anybody help me find out who George is? Thank you :)

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/1904/images/32858_633870_1431-00265?pId=19223178

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The Common Room / Re: Parents of William Davies
« on: Thursday 22 September 22 22:57 BST (UK)  »
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The Common Room / Re: Parents of William Davies
« on: Thursday 22 September 22 22:56 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Dundee on Thursday 22 September 22 22:54 BST (UK)
What was Joseph's occupation and who registered the birth?

Debra  :)

He was an omnibus conductor, and Matilda registered the birth (with a cross: I suppose she was illiterate).

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The Common Room / Parents of William Davies
« on: Thursday 22 September 22 22:04 BST (UK)  »
William Davies was born on the 18th of September 1863 at 13 City Garden Row, St Luke's, London, England. He was the son of Joseph Davies and Matilda Davies (nee Richards). I believe that he may have been adopted as a child (between 1863 and 1871) by William Jelley (1837 - 1888) and Frances Elizabeth Jelley (nee Richards) (1836 - 1906), and renamed William Jelley Davies (I have posted about him before), but I have been unable to prove that he is the right child.

I can find absolutely no information on Joseph and Matilda Davies:
  • No fitting marriage record
  • No appearance as a couple in any censuses (they were not living at 13 City Garden Row in 1861 or 1871
  • I can find no other children that they might had
  • I can find no death records that would work for Matilda prior to 1871

Can anybody help?

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The Common Room / Re: Who was Patrick O'Sullivan Ware?
« on: Wednesday 31 August 22 17:43 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Lady Di on Wednesday 31 August 22 13:19 BST (UK)
Interesting ...
1889 marriage:  he is "William DAVIES". (Father is "William Davies, a Labourer, dec'd)
The 1895 marriage: he's "William Davis JELLEY" (Father is William JELLEY, a Drover)

1889 marriage, she is "Maria Sullivan WARE", 2nd marriage she's "Maria SULLIVAN"

Witnesses on first one in 1889: Thomas Davies & Frances E Jelley

1895 Witnesses appear to be William  Guinnee (?sp) and Frances Elizabeth Jelley

Yes, there is a lot of confusion with William, who I believe was adopted into the Jelley family, but was a born a Davies. I have been unable to find out anything about his biological family - perhaps the William Davies (who unlike William Jelley was a labourer) listed on the first marriage record was his biological father? It's unlikely, but not impossible.

The Sullivan vs Sullivan Ware thing is interesting. I wonder if Patrick's middle name wasn't O'Sullivan, but rather, for some reason, he had two surnames?

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The Common Room / Re: Who was Patrick O'Sullivan Ware?
« on: Tuesday 30 August 22 20:20 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: CaroleW on Tuesday 30 August 22 20:15 BST (UK)
Do you have the 1882 marriage cert for his age/occupation/fathers name

If he was a mariner - he may have died at sea

I'm actually researching this tree for somebody else, and as Patrick is just the first husband of their great-grandmother rather than a direct relative, I don't think they'll be willing to pay for the marriage certificate. This is just personal curiosity of mine. If Patrick's identity is impossible to work out without the certificate, I'll just let it go.

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The Common Room / Who was Patrick O'Sullivan Ware?
« on: Tuesday 30 August 22 20:06 BST (UK)  »
Maria Guinnee (1860 - 1924; her name is misspelled on the record) married Patrick O'Sullivan Ware in Pancras, London, England in January 1882:

Name   Maria Guinner
Registration Year   1882
Registration Quarter   Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district   Pancras
Inferred County   London
Volume   1b
Page   227

Records on Page   4

Maria and Patrick had no children (or if they did, none survived infancy). By 1889 she had remarried to William Jelley Davies, with who she had 4 children, born between 1890 and 1896, with:

Record details
Name   Maria Sullivan Ware
Gender   Female
Marriage Age   30
Birth Date   1859
Marriage Date   10 Jul 1889
Marriage Place   Stratford, St John, Essex, England
Father   William Guinee
Spouse   William Davies

However, it also appears that she married William in 1895 too?

Name   Maria Sullivan
Gender   Female
Marriage Age   35
Record Type   Marriage
Birth Date   1860
Marriage Date   9 Sep 1895
Marriage Place   St Martin, Kentish Town, Camden, England
Father   William Guinnce
Spouse   William Davis Jelley
Register Type   Parish Register

In the second marriage, she is listed as a widow. I do not know why she is recorded as having married  William twice (I am almost certain both records belong to her).

I am looking to find out what happened to Patrick, who I can find absolutely no trace of (excluding his marriage record). Maria Guinnee (whose name is spelled many ways across records) was Irish (born in Limerick), and whilst Patrick O'Sullivan is certainly an Irish name, Ware is an English surname.

Can anyone help? I'm happy to provide extra information if needed.

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The Common Room / Re: Looking for more information on the family of Dorothy Ellen Jelley Davies
« on: Thursday 25 August 22 23:31 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Cas (stallc) on Thursday 25 August 22 17:05 BST (UK)
There are 8 people in household of 9 Mansfield RD stated in 1921 free index and address search.

Dorothy Ellen Jelley, 1893, Hampstead, London
Grace Kathleen Jelley, 1896, Hampstead, London
Maria Jelley,1860, Ireland
William Jelley, 1863, London
William Jelley 1892, Hampstead, London

Also Margaret Lord (nee Jelley, eldest dau)
Her infant daughter Kathleen and William Healey which is 8

I cannot find additional people that you posted in reply  #10 John?

Original Record needs to be viewed by OP to confirm.

Cas

Hello - this is all very helpful and matches more with the information which I have found so far. Do you know if Margaret Lord is widowed in this census? I believe I may have found a potential husband, who died in the 2nd quarter of 1921.

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The Common Room / Re: Looking for more information on the family of Dorothy Ellen Jelley Davies
« on: Thursday 25 August 22 15:06 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: 1931census on Thursday 25 August 22 15:05 BST (UK)
Quote from: johnhood on Thursday 25 August 22 15:00 BST (UK)
Quote from: 1931census on Thursday 25 August 22 14:57 BST (UK)
Quote from: johnhood on Thursday 25 August 22 14:25 BST (UK)
Yes they are ALL surnamed Jelley. Also living in the same household are

Margaret Lord 1890 born Hamstead
Kathleen Lord 1920 born City Road London
William Healy 1882 born London.

John

That is certainly confusing for me! Do you think you could send a picture of the record for me to look at?
Thank you for all the additional information!

Cannot post images of 1921 census for copyright reasons.

John

Could you link it to me in a private message? Or just link a photo of it?

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