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Hi Daisy,

Thanks for your post!
Yes, indeed, my grandmother Minnie Margaret Harding nee Allsop's parents were James Allsop and Elizabeth Harding.
They were married on 19 October 1856 in Croydon, Surrey.

Minnie Margaret was born in Wimbledon, Surrey, in 1867 and married Arthur Harding (b. Ballincollig Ireland in 1866) in Dartford, Kent, on 7 March 1896. My mother, Margaret Elizabeth Harding, was born in Wilmington, Dartford, on 21 April 1897. She married my father, Joseph William Adams, on 6 November 1920, in Hendon, Middlesex. (I was born in Hendon in 1942). My mother had one sister, Edith, but I haven't established her birth year yet (it was after 1901). I also have an unconfirmed report that Minnie and Arthur adopted a boy named Ronald Coleman, but whether this was an 'official' adoption or whether they just fostered him for a while, I don't know. Although I remember my Aunt Edith well, I do not have any recollection of a 'Robert Coleman' in the family.

As far as I can determine, Minnie's mother, Elizabeth Harding, died in 1868 and I think that James Allsop later marrried his housekeeper, Sarah Brand, in Wandsworth in 1876. James was born in Waltham Abbey, Essex, in 1832 and I think his father's name was Daniel, also born in Waltham Abbey about 1795/6. Daniel's wife's name was Ann, b. about 1807 in Cheshunt, Herefordshire, but I haven't been able to get back further than that.

I have been trying to trace Elizabeth Harding's ancestors, as I think they must have also come from Ireland and that is where the family connection must lie for Arthur and Minnie to have been first cousins. Unfortunately, the limited amount of information available from Irish records (especially from the other side of the world!) makes this a very difficult task.

Regards
Mike



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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Sharing information on names & locations
« on: Sunday 23 April 06 12:21 BST (UK)  »
Thanks, Jan - I finally figured out how to include my surname interests under all my posts, but I'm still finding my way around the Roots-Chat site. Thanks for the link - I'll post them under the surnames list as you suggest.

(Haven't figured out yet how to include an avatar pic on my posts, though!).

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Sharing information on names & locations
« on: Sunday 23 April 06 09:20 BST (UK)  »
Thanks, Audrey - I really enjoy this hobby, so helping others gives me a lot of pleasure, too!  8)

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Family History Beginners Board / Sharing information on names & locations
« on: Sunday 23 April 06 08:36 BST (UK)  »
Hi from Australia!

I'm new to this board, but have already had some terrific help from others researching Irish ancestors in Ballincollig, Cork, Ireland, so I thought I would reciprocate by offering any assistance I can to others here.

I am no expert, but have managed to get back to the late 1700s on many of the ancestry lines for myself and my wife. The list below gives the names/locations of those I have been researching. If any of the information I have can help someone else I am happy to share it.

And of course, if anyone has information that might help me, I would be happy to receive it!  :)

Regards
Mike

Adams - in Surrey and Essex
Allsop - in Waltham Abbey, Essex and Croydon, Surrey
Chapman - in Auchindoir, Aberdeen and Queensland, Australia
Cook  - in London
Coppin - in Surrey
Coppock - in London
Dawson (or Desson) - in Scotland
Duhs - in Bad-Soden, Germany
Eldridge - in Surrey
Ewan - in Aberdeenshire
Fink - in Bad-Soden, Germany
Harding - in Ballincollig, Ireland, and Dartford, Kent
Halls - in Essex
Heineimann - in Tellingstedt, Germany and Mount Cotton, Queensland, Australia
Jessiman - in Scotland
Jones - in Kiltegan, Co. Wicklow, Ireland
Lewin - in Essex
Long - in Ballincollig, Ireland
Mark - in Scotland
McDonald - Scotland and Queensland, Australia
Osborne - in Queensland, Australia
Read - in Sussex
Ross - in Glenbuchat and Auchindoir, Scotland
Schroeder - in Germany
Schwenkin - in Obereschbach, Germany
Sibke - in Holstein, Germany
Swannell - in Cambridgeshire, Hampshire & Huntingdonshire
Tanner - in Suffolk, Surrey, London and Essex
Tate    -  in Essex
Thornton or Thorton - in Essex
Vian - in Devon
Willard - in Sussex and Queensland, Australia
Zerner - in Germany and Queensland, Australia

           

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Annie:

How do I post a picture of my grandfather as an avatar? I've been trying for about half an hour but nothing seems to work.  I participate in a boat-building forum and have no problem with posting pictures and avatars there, but that forum also has a member's picture gallery where you can upload your pictures first. I've tried amending my profile, too, but nothing seems to work.

Any ideas?

Rgds
Mike

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Thanks, Annie - it's possible that my great grandfather travelled elsewhere with the RA, but I have no previous indication that he left Ireland at all. Still, it is worth following up.

BTW, I'm the Australian immigrant, not my ancestors! I was born in Hendon, London, and emigrated to Australia in 1969.

Rgds
Mike

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Hi Mike, I live just a few miles from Ballincollig........ have ou read the book on the Barracks?there is a gravestone marked 1865 for a soldier who was buried 1865 ...... Royal Artillery E Battery 8th Brigade. CI
Wow, this site rocks! Thank you very much for this information - in just a few days since my very first post I've discovered that my grandfather (b. 1866) had a sister, born in 1864! (Thanks again, Leofric - I've now confirmed that very important fact and Mrs Jordan in Ballincollig is getting a copy of Eliza's birth certificate for me) - and now CI has helped me by an almost certain identification of the 8th Brigade R.A. that my great grandfather probably served in!

If I can help anybody out from an Australian perspective, please let me know - I've become totally fascinated by this research and I'd be very glad to do what I can for someone else. (I will start another thread listing the names and locations that I may be able to help someone with).

Thanks again and regards from Oz,
Mike

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Hi Mike and welcome to RootsChat ! :)

What do you know about your Great Grandfather - do you know anything else that may help somebody help you !!  :) it's usually easier to look for the person rather than the regiment !! I did find this - maybe it will give you an idea of the area !!


Hi Annie, thanks for the welcome!

I already have a lot of information about Ballincollig and the Barracks, including the information you have given, but thank you anyway.

My biggest problem is that I can find absolutely no reference whatsoever to my great grandparents other than on the birth record of my grandfather and on my grandparent's marriage certificate. Margaret Jordan (a lovely lady who I have yet to meet) lives in Ballincolig and has made a tremendous effort on my behalf, searching local cemeteries and records, but without success. (She obtained the copy of my grandfather's birth certificate for me from the Cork Registry Office).
 
The 1881 England census shows that by that year my grandfather had moved to Wandsworth, in London. He is recorded as aged 15, a labourer, lodging with a family called Higgs. I cannot find any reference to his parents, my great-grandparents Arthur and Margaret, in any census, BMD or parish records, so I have no idea whether they also went to England or stayed in Ireland.

My grandfather married my grandmother, Minnie Margaret Allsop, in Dartford in March 1896 and their marriage certificate records Arthur Harding senior's occupation as 'licensed victualler', so it appears he had left the Army by that time, but where he was living - England, Ireland or elsewhere - I have no idea. The problem is made more difficult because I can't even find a reference to my grandfather in the 1891 nor to either of my grandparents in the 1901 census!

I have been told by my older sister that Arthur and Minnie Harding were first cousins, but have drawn  a blank with that line of enquiry also.

HOWEVER -
Mike,

I suppose you've seen your grandfather's sister Eliza on the IGI born in 1864? It may be worth getting her birth cert too, just to see if there's any snippet of info more on his army background - service number for example...

good luck
Leofric
Thanks for this information, Leofric - no, I have no information at all about my grandfather's siblings!! If he had a sister, Eliza, that opens up a whole new line of enquiry. THANK YOU!

As for the Army details - yes, he was in the Royal Artillery, but it is difficult to find details of individuals from the military records unless you have a bit more information - i.e., what unit of the RA was stationed in Ballincollig (I don't think it could have been the entire regiment since the accommodation in the Barracks would have been insufficient). There was also the Royal Horse Artillery - a different regiment - and given that my great grandfather was a 'collar maker' (a skilled trade in saddlery) it is possible that the actual units stationed in Ballincollig were Royal Horse Artillery (RHA), notwithstanding the use of just "RA" on my grandfather's birth certificate.

Thank you both again for the responses - very much appreciated.
Regards
Mike

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Hi everyone, this is my first post.

My grandfather, Arthur Harding, was born on 9th May 1866, in Ballincollig. I have a copy of his birth certificate which gives his father's name also as 'Arthur Harding' and his mother's maiden name as 'Margaret Long'. Despite a lot of internet searching and a great deal of assistance from a local Ballincollig resident, I've hit a brick wall here and can't find any reference to my great grandparents, Arthur and Margaret.

My grandfather's birth certificate gives my great-grandfather's occupation as 'Collar Maker, R.A.', which seems to indicate he was in the Army and attached to Ballincollig Barracks. This in turn makes me wonder if he was born elsewhere and just happened to be posted there when my grandfather was born.

I am now trying to figure out what Army regiment or unit he might have been in, so that I can check the military records in London, but there seems to be little information on the internet about the actual regiments or units attached to Ballincollig Barracks in the mid-1800's, other than the fact that they were mostly artillery units. Does anyone have information on the regiments that were resident in Ballincollig Barracks in 1866?

BTW, I'm looking forward to making a brief visit to Ballincollig in a few weeks time (on 29 - 31 May)!

Regards from Australia.
Mike

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