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Dublin / Re: william rogerson
« on: Tuesday 09 April 24 21:29 BST (UK) »Quote
What does man's estate mean.?Usually just means they lived to adulthood.
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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Mc Cabe family Rockville Street Belfast.
« on: Tuesday 09 April 24 21:27 BST (UK) »
I know we thought Annie and family went back and forth using different surnames, etc. but looking at it all in date order she was fairly consistent (for a little while each time at least).
I did find a possible birth IF she was Annie McKinstry and born c1867 (which may or may not be true)-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1867/03489/2282488.pdf
She possibly came to Belfast for work if she was born elsewhere in County Antrim (as in 1901 and 1911). Maybe aged about 20 when she had an illegitimate daughter Mary in 1886 (according to Mary's birth record) although church records lists Mary's father as John McKinley. Next child is John in 1888 (birth certificate lists father as James (not John) McKinley, fireman). Third child, Kathleen, born 1891 at 3 Fifth St. Wonder is she & Mr. McKinley have parted company because now she and children are McKee.
Then, we have death of James McCabe in 1902 but she's still McKee (up to 1910 directory). In 1911 census she and children are McCabe. Son John marries as McCabe but a good while after Annie dies the daughters are back to the McKee surname.
Just thought of something else to check ...
I did find a possible birth IF she was Annie McKinstry and born c1867 (which may or may not be true)-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1867/03489/2282488.pdf
She possibly came to Belfast for work if she was born elsewhere in County Antrim (as in 1901 and 1911). Maybe aged about 20 when she had an illegitimate daughter Mary in 1886 (according to Mary's birth record) although church records lists Mary's father as John McKinley. Next child is John in 1888 (birth certificate lists father as James (not John) McKinley, fireman). Third child, Kathleen, born 1891 at 3 Fifth St. Wonder is she & Mr. McKinley have parted company because now she and children are McKee.
Then, we have death of James McCabe in 1902 but she's still McKee (up to 1910 directory). In 1911 census she and children are McCabe. Son John marries as McCabe but a good while after Annie dies the daughters are back to the McKee surname.
Just thought of something else to check ...
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Antrim / Re: Re: Richard Steele of Kyle, Co. Wexford
« on: Tuesday 09 April 24 21:12 BST (UK) »
No but you were looking for information on Hugh Steele. His marriage certificate should hopefully list father's name and occupation.
Will ask a moderator to split your query from this Wexford one and move it the ANTRIM board which is where Belfast posts belong.
Will ask a moderator to split your query from this Wexford one and move it the ANTRIM board which is where Belfast posts belong.
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Donegal / Re: Browne
« on: Tuesday 09 April 24 20:51 BST (UK) »In your thread from 2011 it was suggested checking military records. Have you done that?
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=523093.msg3780662#msg3780662
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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Mc Cabe family Rockville Street Belfast.
« on: Tuesday 09 April 24 20:48 BST (UK) »
Looking at the snippet about James McCabe, RIC, having a wife, I wondered if he was actually married to someone other than Annie. Confined my search to Belfast registration district and this is the only one I found (may not be the same James McCabe)-
James McCabe (policeman) m. Anna Meek (teacher)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1886/10848/5960751.pdf
Article said "wife and family" which sounds like more than 1 child but couldn't find any children born to this couple in N.I. counties (GRONI's database). Perhaps Annie McKinstry/McKinley/McKee was the wife in question although we still haven't found a marriage for them.
Added- went through Valuation Revision Books to check 9 Blackwater St., 3 Fifth St. and 44 Burnaby St. for any sign of Annie etc. but nothing noted in any of the books for the relevant periods.
James McCabe (policeman) m. Anna Meek (teacher)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1886/10848/5960751.pdf
Article said "wife and family" which sounds like more than 1 child but couldn't find any children born to this couple in N.I. counties (GRONI's database). Perhaps Annie McKinstry/McKinley/McKee was the wife in question although we still haven't found a marriage for them.
Added- went through Valuation Revision Books to check 9 Blackwater St., 3 Fifth St. and 44 Burnaby St. for any sign of Annie etc. but nothing noted in any of the books for the relevant periods.
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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Mc Cabe family Rockville Street Belfast.
« on: Tuesday 09 April 24 20:43 BST (UK) »
1901 directory- James McKee, sailor, 44 Burnaby St.
1901 census (31 Mar.)- https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/St__Anne_s/Burnaby_Street/982126/ Annie McKee (c1863 Co.Antrim, hemstitcher at home); Mary McKee (c1897 Belfast); John J. McKee (c1900 Belfast); Kathleen McKee (c1902 Belfast)
Missing Annie’s ‘marriage’ to James McCabe
1902, Sept.- death of James McCabe, RIC, bachelor https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1902/05689/4603510.pdf (clipping “though not officially known he was married and leaves a wife and family”, from & buried Co.Monaghan, reply #30)
1907 directory- Mrs. McKee, 12 Donnybrook St. (also 1910)
1911 census (Apr.1)- https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Windsor/Donnybrook_Street/157261/ Annie McCabe (widow c1867 Co.Antrim); Mary McCabe (c1890 Belfast, handkerchief _ folder); John James McCabe (c1892 Belfast, house painter); Kathleen McCabe (bc1894 Belfast, office asst.)
1912 directory- John McCabe, painter, 12 Donnybrook St.
1915- McCabe/McGrath marriage- groom’s parents- James McCabe RIC & Annie McKinstry
1918 directory- Mrs. McCabe, 12 Donnybrook St. (also 1924, 1932)
1936, 19 May- death of Annie McCabe, age 69, died 12 Donnybrook St. “widow of James McCabe a Constable R.I.C.” registered by son J.J. McCabe, 13 Rockville St.
1939 directory- Miss M. McCabe, 12 Donnybrook St. (also 1951)
1960 directory- Miss M. McKee, 14 Donnybrook St.
1968, 8 Sept.- death of Mary Elizabeth McKibben of 28 Station Rd. Whiteabbey, husband William & children (clipping- sister Kathleen; 26 Hawthorne Ave. Carrickfergus)- reply #58
1974 directory- Kathleen McCabe 12 Donnybrook St.
1901 census (31 Mar.)- https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/St__Anne_s/Burnaby_Street/982126/ Annie McKee (c1863 Co.Antrim, hemstitcher at home); Mary McKee (c1897 Belfast); John J. McKee (c1900 Belfast); Kathleen McKee (c1902 Belfast)
Missing Annie’s ‘marriage’ to James McCabe
1902, Sept.- death of James McCabe, RIC, bachelor https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1902/05689/4603510.pdf (clipping “though not officially known he was married and leaves a wife and family”, from & buried Co.Monaghan, reply #30)
1907 directory- Mrs. McKee, 12 Donnybrook St. (also 1910)
1911 census (Apr.1)- https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Windsor/Donnybrook_Street/157261/ Annie McCabe (widow c1867 Co.Antrim); Mary McCabe (c1890 Belfast, handkerchief _ folder); John James McCabe (c1892 Belfast, house painter); Kathleen McCabe (bc1894 Belfast, office asst.)
1912 directory- John McCabe, painter, 12 Donnybrook St.
1915- McCabe/McGrath marriage- groom’s parents- James McCabe RIC & Annie McKinstry
1918 directory- Mrs. McCabe, 12 Donnybrook St. (also 1924, 1932)
1936, 19 May- death of Annie McCabe, age 69, died 12 Donnybrook St. “widow of James McCabe a Constable R.I.C.” registered by son J.J. McCabe, 13 Rockville St.
1939 directory- Miss M. McCabe, 12 Donnybrook St. (also 1951)
1960 directory- Miss M. McKee, 14 Donnybrook St.
1974 directory- Kathleen McCabe 12 Donnybrook St.
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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Mc Cabe family Rockville Street Belfast.
« on: Tuesday 09 April 24 20:40 BST (UK) »
I've been working on this again and not much further forward but putting details found so far into chronological order does make sense of a few things, I think, so bear with me as it might take more than one post to write it all out.
c1867 Annie ‘McKinstry’ born (age according to death reg. 1936)
Missing Annie’s ‘marriage’ to John McKinley
1886, 3 Apr.- Mary McKinley born 9 Blackwater St. (mother- Annie McKinley, worker wareroom; informant- Margret Madden, 14 Ton St.** https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1886/02606/1962500.pdf
1886, 8 Apr.- Mary Josephine McKinley bapt. St. Peter’s (parents- John & Anne McKinley, 9 Blackwater St., spons. Margaret Madden) **Note: Ton St., small houses, off McDonnell St.
1888, 3 Oct.- John James McKinley born 9 Blackwater St. (parents- James McKinley (fireman) & Annie formerly McKinstry; informant- Margaret Madden, 44 McDonnell St.**) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1888/02498/1926689.pdf
1888, 21 Oct.- John James McKinley bapt. St. Paul’s (parents- Annie McKinley, 9 Blackwater St., spons. Margaret Madden)
1890 directory- https://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/bcomplete1890.htm (9 Blackwater St.) and https://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/bcomplete1890.htm (3 Fifth St.)- not at either address
1891, 18 May- Kathleen McKinley born 3 Fifth St. (mother- Annie McKinley (wareroom worker); informant- Margaret Madden, 50 McDonnell St.) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1891/02392/1892195.pdf
1891, 21 May- Catherine McKinley bapt. St. Peter’s (parents- James & Ann McKinley, 3 Fifth St., spons. Margaret Madden)
1891, 29 June- newspaper clipping- 3 Fifth St., house of Mrs. McKee mentions Margaret Madden (reply #77)
1893, 9 June- stillborn child of James & Annie McKee, 3 Fifth St. buried Belfast City Cemetery
c1867 Annie ‘McKinstry’ born (age according to death reg. 1936)
Missing Annie’s ‘marriage’ to John McKinley
1886, 3 Apr.- Mary McKinley born 9 Blackwater St. (mother- Annie McKinley, worker wareroom; informant- Margret Madden, 14 Ton St.** https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1886/02606/1962500.pdf
1886, 8 Apr.- Mary Josephine McKinley bapt. St. Peter’s (parents- John & Anne McKinley, 9 Blackwater St., spons. Margaret Madden) **Note: Ton St., small houses, off McDonnell St.
1888, 3 Oct.- John James McKinley born 9 Blackwater St. (parents- James McKinley (fireman) & Annie formerly McKinstry; informant- Margaret Madden, 44 McDonnell St.**) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1888/02498/1926689.pdf
1888, 21 Oct.- John James McKinley bapt. St. Paul’s (parents- Annie McKinley, 9 Blackwater St., spons. Margaret Madden)
1890 directory- https://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/bcomplete1890.htm (9 Blackwater St.) and https://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/bcomplete1890.htm (3 Fifth St.)- not at either address
1891, 18 May- Kathleen McKinley born 3 Fifth St. (mother- Annie McKinley (wareroom worker); informant- Margaret Madden, 50 McDonnell St.) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1891/02392/1892195.pdf
1891, 21 May- Catherine McKinley bapt. St. Peter’s (parents- James & Ann McKinley, 3 Fifth St., spons. Margaret Madden)
1891, 29 June- newspaper clipping- 3 Fifth St., house of Mrs. McKee mentions Margaret Madden (reply #77)
1893, 9 June- stillborn child of James & Annie McKee, 3 Fifth St. buried Belfast City Cemetery
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Ireland / Re: McKenney Clisdell
« on: Tuesday 09 April 24 20:18 BST (UK) »
No need to keep starting new topics- you can always add to the older ones. Here;s your McKenney/Clisdell one-
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=413183.msg2798381#msg2798381
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=413183.msg2798381#msg2798381