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Census Lookup and Resource Requests / Re: 1881 Census lookup, please
« on: Sunday 13 August 06 22:50 BST (UK) »
Good advice, Pauline, I did modify. Thanks! Millie
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Census Lookup and Resource Requests / Re: 1881 Census lookup, please
« on: Sunday 13 August 06 22:30 BST (UK) »
Hi...and thanks. I did try the IGI, Free BMD. Owen died young, death certifcate information was filled by my g'mother, so assume names of George Thomas and Mary Jones were accurate.
Annie Williams (Pwllhei) and Owen Thomas were married 1898. Found them in 1901 census living in Llanllyfni. I can trace Annie's family, but not Owen's, whose naturilization papers indicate he was born in Penygoes. Been searching for his birth family/parents without success......thought the marriage certificate would offer clues, but that too was a dead end.
Guess I don't know where to go from here...perhaps the 1871 census, preceeded Owen's birth, but might offer a clue. Appreciate your help. Millie
Annie Williams (Pwllhei) and Owen Thomas were married 1898. Found them in 1901 census living in Llanllyfni. I can trace Annie's family, but not Owen's, whose naturilization papers indicate he was born in Penygoes. Been searching for his birth family/parents without success......thought the marriage certificate would offer clues, but that too was a dead end.
Guess I don't know where to go from here...perhaps the 1871 census, preceeded Owen's birth, but might offer a clue. Appreciate your help. Millie
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Census Lookup and Resource Requests / 1881 Census lookup, please
« on: Saturday 12 August 06 21:30 BST (UK) »
Hi..would appreciate a lookup for g'father, Owen Thomas, born April 1871, Penygroes,Caernarvonshire, to parents George Thomas and Mary Jones.
Thought I woud find a lead in the marriage certificate received from GRO, but a line was drawn through father's name. My information comes from naturilization papers and death certificate. Many thanks!
The 1881 census doesn't seem to offer clues. Perhaps following a suggestion of searchng in 1871 for parents might be more fruitful, even if that does preceed Owen's birth. What I have found as a birth year could be wrong too....often is!
Thought I woud find a lead in the marriage certificate received from GRO, but a line was drawn through father's name. My information comes from naturilization papers and death certificate. Many thanks!
The 1881 census doesn't seem to offer clues. Perhaps following a suggestion of searchng in 1871 for parents might be more fruitful, even if that does preceed Owen's birth. What I have found as a birth year could be wrong too....often is!
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Renfrewshire / Re: Families of Cook children
« on: Monday 31 July 06 23:23 BST (UK) »
Hi Lindsay and Russell.....I do agree with what you say, on the whole, Russell. Being a member of the BHC society, some children did not fair well, but for most, conditions were vastly improved. I personally feel, my three faired very well. They were sent to the Marchmont home in Belleville as Fairknowe had not yet opened. All three were placed within a 20 mile radius in lovely farm country with nearby lakes and rivers. Much healthier than the conditions in Glascow at that time. They were apparently in good homes and did see each other, making separation much less difficult. The girls were placed in Ontario, Robert across the river in Portage du Fort, Quebec The 1891 census only included head of household, so I could not locate him, by 1901, he was probably on his own. I have not found an official record, but it appears he was in WWI. Still following that. Anne did very well. She married Peter Condie, had four children which I traced into adulthood, as well as their children. Understand there might still be decendants in the Renfrew County district....with whom I hope to connect.
Susan was more complicated. Placed in Forrester Falls with a farm family, she remained there until age 17, when she married a 35 year old farmer, William Livingston. (1893). In 1894 she gave birth to a son, William Russell. I found her again in 1901 living in Ottawa as a waitress under her maiden name. So far, have not found a divorce record....but at that time they were hard to come by and perhaps the process too expensive for the common folks. The 1901 census, lists her husband as "widowed", and the child was registered in the home of his aunt (father's sister). I found the son again in 1970 when he self registered a birth certificate....haven't found him since. Susan again appears in the US census of 1910 married (?) to James Agger, my grandfather. I can not find a record of marriage in US or Canada, tho census indicates they married in 1902 and were naturalized the same year. A son, Robert James was born in 1903, Harold (my Dad) in 1908. Robert, died of scarlet fever in 1927. Susan died in 1960, buried in Troy, NY with her son, Robert. Cemetery records had been lost in a fire, so it took a long time and many hikes to locate the grave, but I finally did, and was able to take pictures and bring flowers. Amazing, how close one can becomes to a relative never known in life!
I continue to express my appreciation to both Russell and Lindsay for all your great assistance! Millie
Susan was more complicated. Placed in Forrester Falls with a farm family, she remained there until age 17, when she married a 35 year old farmer, William Livingston. (1893). In 1894 she gave birth to a son, William Russell. I found her again in 1901 living in Ottawa as a waitress under her maiden name. So far, have not found a divorce record....but at that time they were hard to come by and perhaps the process too expensive for the common folks. The 1901 census, lists her husband as "widowed", and the child was registered in the home of his aunt (father's sister). I found the son again in 1970 when he self registered a birth certificate....haven't found him since. Susan again appears in the US census of 1910 married (?) to James Agger, my grandfather. I can not find a record of marriage in US or Canada, tho census indicates they married in 1902 and were naturalized the same year. A son, Robert James was born in 1903, Harold (my Dad) in 1908. Robert, died of scarlet fever in 1927. Susan died in 1960, buried in Troy, NY with her son, Robert. Cemetery records had been lost in a fire, so it took a long time and many hikes to locate the grave, but I finally did, and was able to take pictures and bring flowers. Amazing, how close one can becomes to a relative never known in life!
I continue to express my appreciation to both Russell and Lindsay for all your great assistance! Millie
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Renfrewshire / Re: Families of Cook children
« on: Sunday 30 July 06 22:21 BST (UK) »
Hi Lindsay,
You're obviously a great deal more advanced in researching and computers than me! I'm really a late life starter, but good for those senior brain cells! The finds are surely intriguing. Received the census and birth copies, and thanks for info re using windows picture or fax viewer...worked great!
1881 census is interesting......what did happen to Francis? May have just got tired of all those children and assorted complications. Susan's girls were placed in Quarrier's care in Sept of 1883 and Robert April 1884. She may have been back with Cook, wherever he was, in 1881.
She (Susan) may have marrried someone named Fraser along the way. My grandmother's death certificate indicated mother as Susan Fraser, so apparently they stayed in contact. Families do get complicated.
For all your persistance and help I am in your debt, Lindsay, thank you.
Regards, Millie
You're obviously a great deal more advanced in researching and computers than me! I'm really a late life starter, but good for those senior brain cells! The finds are surely intriguing. Received the census and birth copies, and thanks for info re using windows picture or fax viewer...worked great!
1881 census is interesting......what did happen to Francis? May have just got tired of all those children and assorted complications. Susan's girls were placed in Quarrier's care in Sept of 1883 and Robert April 1884. She may have been back with Cook, wherever he was, in 1881.
She (Susan) may have marrried someone named Fraser along the way. My grandmother's death certificate indicated mother as Susan Fraser, so apparently they stayed in contact. Families do get complicated.
For all your persistance and help I am in your debt, Lindsay, thank you.
Regards, Millie
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Renfrewshire / Re: Families of Cook children
« on: Saturday 29 July 06 17:26 BST (UK) »
Thanks Lindsay,
Millie
Millie
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Renfrewshire / Re: Families of Cook children
« on: Saturday 29 July 06 14:42 BST (UK) »
Hi Lindsay, Many thanks.....you've brought me further than I expected to go. Heard Scot records were great and sounds like they are...when you know what you're doing! Do you have a disc or accessing Scotland's People? Appreciating a copy of birth certificate being forwarded to my email address where I can more easily save it......e-mail address removed to prevent spamming and other abuse
This is my first venture into Scotland, been tracing Susan and siblings in Canada and maternal records in Wales. What was your source for death record of Ann Galbraith?
This is my first venture into Scotland, been tracing Susan and siblings in Canada and maternal records in Wales. What was your source for death record of Ann Galbraith?
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Renfrewshire / Re: Families of Cook children
« on: Saturday 29 July 06 01:33 BST (UK) »
Hi and Wow !! Think we've got a hit! The McGinlay information from 1871 seems to fit. Susan was 15 at census time, and 19 (according to Quarriers) when she left home. Her first child, Ann, was born in 1876.
Two brothers, Frank and Hugh, were mentioned in the Quarrier report as offering to pay expenses for Cook to marry Susan. There is a Hugh listed with this family. Father was listed as Francis, so I assuming the son with same name was known as Frank. Names, address, and ages suggest a match. Add to that the birth of Robert and it all seems to fit. Robert was registered as "Cook" with Quarriers and subsequently on ship records.
Looks like the Adrossan Road did not work out......but we seem to have one good find.....and that is something to celebrate! You guys are great!
Can't find a match with the info from the IGI.....there was a Susan McGinlay in Workhouse Records....
which might be an age match. Some might be relatives, but haven't gotten that far into the family line to know,could be an aunt Susan was named for. I'll keep the info, one day it may all tie in.
Two brothers, Frank and Hugh, were mentioned in the Quarrier report as offering to pay expenses for Cook to marry Susan. There is a Hugh listed with this family. Father was listed as Francis, so I assuming the son with same name was known as Frank. Names, address, and ages suggest a match. Add to that the birth of Robert and it all seems to fit. Robert was registered as "Cook" with Quarriers and subsequently on ship records.
Looks like the Adrossan Road did not work out......but we seem to have one good find.....and that is something to celebrate! You guys are great!
Can't find a match with the info from the IGI.....there was a Susan McGinlay in Workhouse Records....
which might be an age match. Some might be relatives, but haven't gotten that far into the family line to know,could be an aunt Susan was named for. I'll keep the info, one day it may all tie in.
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Renfrewshire / Re: Families of Cook children
« on: Friday 28 July 06 17:16 BST (UK) »
My goodness, you're keeping busy! What a wonderful find you've been, Russell. Downloaded info re SP yesterday.....holding off doing more until I have a faster internet connection...dial up just isn't working. Should be at better speed after the weekend. Your area knowledge is so helpful, as mine would be to you if you had rellies on this side of the pond. Kitchner is not too far away, actually have friends in St. Catherine's I visit several times yearly.
This really does become a networking endeavor. Drove to Ottawa for a convention held at the National Archives dealing mostly with British Home Children. Tremendous help there as well as access to the archives. Found records of families the children lived with, marriages decendants, etc..
Facinated with what you sent....now to try to put it together! What fun these puzzles are....guess you have to be a natural sleuth! Again, thanks! Millie
This really does become a networking endeavor. Drove to Ottawa for a convention held at the National Archives dealing mostly with British Home Children. Tremendous help there as well as access to the archives. Found records of families the children lived with, marriages decendants, etc..
Facinated with what you sent....now to try to put it together! What fun these puzzles are....guess you have to be a natural sleuth! Again, thanks! Millie