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Hi Dawn, thanks for your reply.  William was born in 1857 (ish!) but moved to Cwm when he was young.  He married twice- in 1884 and 1895  - and lived in Cwm for the rest of his life.  All his children were born there. According to the relative I spoke to, the whole family attended the church, including this man himself who was William's great-grandson.  I don't know when William died, again there are so many with that name but he is on the 1911 census, still in Cwm.  His second wife died in 1942. So, we're looking at the years between the early 1860s and 1911 at least.

Lesleyann

I've had another look at the marriage cert and Ruth's address was Merthyr Cynog.  Her father's occupation was farmer.  The groom was a farm servant so I suppose it's possible that he worked on her father's farm. His address was Aberyscir. The writing on the cert is very hard to decipher.  I've had it a couple of years and gave up on it a while ago.  I've only just resurrected it to give it another go.  The witnesses names look like Jas W. Jones and ? W? Price.  He could be connected with the other Prices but I just can't make out his initials.

I'd seen the 1858 marriage and that's definitely one to consider.  I'm going to look for Davies/Llywel now to see if it turns up anything. 

I've walked around those parts of the world and tramped through cemeteries with no luck.  The groom was born in Llanfihangel Nant Bran and his father was a woollen weaver so we've looked all round there too.  About a month ago we found a great number of my Jenkins family buried in Brychgoed cemetery.  Ruth and John both died in Ynysybwl and I've failed to find their graves too.

Thanks again, both, for your input.

Lesleyann

Hello Z and thank you for your reply.  I hadn't thought of trying the record office.  I'll do that tomorrow. The only Ruth I can find who looks like her is in 1851 living with Thomas Price and his daughter, Ann Price, who is unmarried but seems to be Ruth's mother. In 1861 Ann Price is a pauper living with her granddaughter, also Ann Price. She is Ruth Davies here and again in 1861 when she is working as a servant in the Castle Hotel, Brecon. She later ran a hotel with John in Ynysybwl where she died at the age of 48.

I can't order her birth certificate because I don't know enough details and there are umpteen Ruth Davies and Ruth Thomas births around Breconshire at that time.  I have her son's birth certificate which says Ruth Jenkins formerly Thomas.

Thanks again for your help and I'll follow up your record office suggestion in the morning.

Lesleyann