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Other Countries / Re: Samuel BAILDON, d.27-03-1914 Calcutta. East India Company?
« on: Tuesday 19 September 23 01:17 BST (UK)  »
Shaun,
What can I say?  You always seem to be my go to man, popping up pretty much straight away when I ask rather helplessly for new info.
I don't know whether you have been following it, but a thread I started over 18 years ago suddenly burst back into life the other day with someone who remembered being in the location of the place I was asking about, as a 10 year old boy, 64 years ago.
It's on the Essex Look Up Requests boards, with a title asking about The Blue House, Bradwell on Sea.  And that's where new info about a Samuel Baildon emerged.  Amongst many other exciting revelations about my Kershaw family.  Rootschat is an amazing forum...
Keith

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Essex Lookup Requests / Re: "The Blue House" BRADWELL-ON-SEA in 1891 or 1901 Census
« on: Tuesday 19 September 23 01:04 BST (UK)  »
Ray,
I'm very glad you came to our rescue there!  About Ken's exact place in the village, and also with a wonderfully  clear remembered picture of both Nora and her small holding and how things looked through a ten year old's eye all those years ago.  You have also, indirectly, opened a treasure chest of new information about my Kershaw family, for which I am very grateful.  And many thanks to all those generous Rootschatters for that.  So, the Nora that you knew in 1959 must in fact have been 67 years old or so, when you thought quite innocently that she might be in her late forties.  I'm pretty sure from beyond the grave she would be tickled pink to think that was your impression of her.
One of the most evocative books I have ever read was Laurie Lee's Cider With Rosie, a young boy's remembrance of family members, growing up in rural Gloucestershire.  Not quite in the same vein here, but almost!
And I've just now discovered on another thread I started, thanks to a Rootschatter who keeps coming to my aid that Samuel Baildon in fact died from cholera in March 1914 in Calcutta...
Keith

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Other Countries / Samuel BAILDON, d.27-03-1914 Calcutta. East India Company?
« on: Monday 18 September 23 23:28 BST (UK)  »
Hi, Everyone,
It has recently come to my attention  that a Samuel Robert BAILDON died on 27th March 1914 in Calcutta. He had married my gt-grandma's 1st cousin Mary KERSHAW in 1884 in England.  It is said that he was employed by the East India Company, though I had thought they had been superceded by the British government by this date.  Are there accessible records for the East India Company, and might there be a record too of his death registration somewhere?
Many thanks in advance...
Keith

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Essex Lookup Requests / Re: "The Blue House" BRADWELL-ON-SEA in 1891 or 1901 Census
« on: Sunday 17 September 23 20:07 BST (UK)  »
Well, SoftlySoftly,
Perhaps when Rayangel was there as a 10 year old boy living next to Nora and being taught by someone called Ken to drive a tractor, with Nora referring to him as her son, maybe she was using a bit of poetic licence there, that he was her "adopted" son in the same way that she became Rayangel's "adopted" nanny...
Or that Ken was a son born out of wedlock.  Would love to know the truth!
Keith

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Essex Lookup Requests / Re: "The Blue House" BRADWELL-ON-SEA in 1891 or 1901 Census
« on: Sunday 17 September 23 17:36 BST (UK)  »
Ah, yes, there it is.  Widow.  But I notice that she still used her maiden name of Kershaw there.  Either she married someone else with the same surname, or what is one to think?  Maybe I should search for a birth of a Ken(neth) Kershaw.   Rayangel, where are you, how old did Ken appear to be in 1959, and did he perhaps give away any more interesting snippets about himself to a 10 year old's ear...?
Keith
...but the birthdate is wrong, it says 1868.  Have already been shown the correct entry for Nora Kershaw in 1939 in Downham, who indeed is this individual living at the correct address in Bradwell ?
Could it in fact be Nora's mother, maybe, Ada (née Mason).  Yes, it must be...

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Essex Lookup Requests / Re: "The Blue House" BRADWELL-ON-SEA in 1891 or 1901 Census
« on: Sunday 17 September 23 17:28 BST (UK)  »
SoftlySoftly,
Very interesting that Nora was evacuated as a teacher to Downham (Market?) in Norfolk in 1939.  Presumably with her schoolchildren from London.  I haven't yet been able to find a marriage for her, and by then she would have been in her late forties.  And haven't I seen "widow" with reference to her somewhere on this thread?  So I wonder when this Ken came into the world....
Keith

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Essex Lookup Requests / Re: "The Blue House" BRADWELL-ON-SEA in 1891 or 1901 Census
« on: Sunday 17 September 23 16:35 BST (UK)  »
Hepburn,
Yes, she would indeed have been Nora.  Who I have down as being born in 1892.  But I have no information about this Ken.  I need to discover more!
Keith
What also might be confusing is that there were 2 Gurner/ Kershaw intermarriages.  3xGt-Grandfather Henry Pakeman Gurner's daughter Mary Ann Gurner married John Thomas Kershaw in 1857.  And his grandson Walter Gurner married Alice Kershaw in 1886.  Keeping things in the family...

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Essex Lookup Requests / Re: "The Blue House" BRADWELL-ON-SEA in 1891 or 1901 Census
« on: Sunday 17 September 23 16:20 BST (UK)  »
Now, here's a potted Kershaw/Gurner connection, so that RayAngel can see how I am connected to that lady he knew in 1959, Nora Kershaw.
So, in July 1870, a John Thomas Kershaw was killed under the wheels of a London horse drawn omnibus at Highbury Corner, outside the Cock Tavern.  He had been returning from work in The Strand on that bus.
This tragic event widowed his wife Mary (née Kershaw) with 8 very young children, the youngest a baby in arms.  One solution to help her cope was that Mary, b.1861 and her little brother Raleigh aged 2 or 3 were sent to an Asylum For Fatherless Children in Surrey.  There eventually Mary became a student teacher.  Raleigh was apparently blind or became blind and ended up in America.
One of Mary's other siblings was John b.1866.  His daughter was Ada Nora Kershaw when he married an Ada Mason.
Thus Mary Baildon (nee Kershaw) was aunt to Nora Kershaw, her niece..
That Asylum, btw, was not as dreadful as the word Asylum might suggest.  And the other thing is that when he was widowed in 1872 my gt-gt-gt-grandpa Henry Pakeman Gurner, who was the father of the Mary Gurner widowed by the London omnibus, moved from Ickleton in Cambs to live with her and her brood of children in St Paul's Rd Canonbury.  Probably a mutually supportive move for both.
I hope this doesn't sound too complicated, Ray Angel, and all you other helpful Rootschatters on here...
Keith

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Essex Lookup Requests / Re: "The Blue House" BRADWELL-ON-SEA in 1891 or 1901 Census
« on: Sunday 17 September 23 16:05 BST (UK)  »
More fresh information to add to the Kershaw family tree,  SoftlySoftly!
My grandfather Cyril Gurner was in India, in particular Calcutta, from 1911 until 1946, in the Civil Service.  I wonder if there could possibly have been any contact between Mary and man who was the son of her first cousin at that time...
Keith

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