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London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests / Re: Census 1841..........Census 1851
« on: Wednesday 14 March 07 20:17 GMT (UK)  »
............... I get your drift. No I'm not sure but the IGI says so.
        How else can I be sure. Keep the suggestions coming.
        something will "click" soon. Thanks eveder 

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London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests / Re: Census 1841..........Census 1851
« on: Wednesday 14 March 07 19:42 GMT (UK)  »
hi Heywood,
                   that certaily has ocurred to me but IGI and 1851 census insists Frances is the daughter of John & Elizabeth eveder.

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London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests / Re: Census 1841..........Census 1851
« on: Wednesday 14 March 07 19:10 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Heywood&hello MJP
                                   Let me ramble on a bit backtracking now and then:- John[Job] born 1794 H/Hemp.Herts. married 1826 Elizabeth Eagle born Gt Leighs Essex 1801. Her mother was "Mary" Snow.
John[Job] father was (a) John Smith Married to [both of this parish] Elizabeth Howard at Gt Gaddesden in 1791.
Now keep calm and put down any mind dumbing beverages etc.
(b) John Smith born 1766 Gt Gadd. bapt. H/Hemp 1774 married a   Frances Palmer born 20th june 1758 at Aldbury Herts They marr. at Aldbury 5th March 1785. Herts Parish Records HALS are not easily found online for research [I'm 200 odd mile away]
  John [Job] moved to london and started family.
 The IGI says Job's Father was John and mother Elizabeth so why call eldest daughter Frances Palmer.
 You ask for the fathers name on Frances' marriage cert. not in early 1800s except IGI. The shift from Herts. to London means that 1851 is first date that makes sense.
 Ann Smith [laundry] birth place might have provoded a clue.......
you see I'm trying to trace my lineage and cannot be sure which route to take from Job back.
 It's just ocurred to me could the (b) John Smith who married frances Palmer in 1785 remarried Elizabeth Howard in 1791 but wait the marr. cert says he was a batchelor not widower.
I'll have to go or my brain will explode............... again..eveder

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London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests / Re: Census 1841..........Census 1851
« on: Tuesday 13 March 07 14:15 GMT (UK)  »
Hello, Heywood
                         thanks for the interest you are taking. Bear with me as I try explain this conundrum. I was,perhaps, expecting a birthplace in Herts. [Hemel Hempstead Aldbury, or Great Gaddesden] - of course since she was 50 in '41 she may have gone to the great Laundry in wherever it is.
                          That said this is the reason for the search!!!!!
 I have traced my tree to :- the census of 1841 7 Sandwich Street St Pancras. Job SMITH [aka John] 45 and wife Elizabeth 42 there were children Elizabeth [Eagle] Smith 13 Mary V. Smith 11            John 9 and William 3. If you are able to look up these census records in 1851 you'll see that still living in Sandwich street
John SMITH head  marr. 56 Insp P.O. born H.Hempstead Herts.
Elizabeth [EAGLE] SMITH wife 51 born Great Leighs Essex then note this, 1st child is now Frances [Palmer] SMITH  Daur U 24 born St Andrews Holborn but [IGI] bapt. Old Church St Pancras.    as is Mary V SMITh Daur U 21 and John SMITH son U 19.
 William and James D. both born and Bapt Old Church St Pancras.
  It apears that the Elizabeth Daur. 13 of 1841 married a Robert Baines by 1851 but living in Sandwich St. Then Frances Palmer moved back into 7 Sandwich st as the eldest daughter.
 If by now you've given up and put on the TV I quite understand but this is What I Want to Know................ Why Bapt. the eldest daughter Frances Palmer and then call the 2nd daughter as named after her mother Elizabeth [Eagle] ?
Were Frances and Elizabeth really sisters?
There is yet more but twill do for now.
                   thanks for any suggestions................eveder         
   

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London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests / Re: Census 1841..........Census 1851
« on: Monday 12 March 07 23:07 GMT (UK)  »
that Ann Smith from Reading not expected so must be one of other two. It's a help, though thanks. Eveder. 

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London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests / Census 1841..........Census 1851
« on: Monday 12 March 07 21:08 GMT (UK)  »
I have info. on 1841 census for Jockeys Field St Andrews HOLBORN. ?-------? SMITH 50 Laundress
                Frances SMITH 15     "             
                George  SMITH  25 Coachdriver?
 Please could you by looking at the 1851 Census, perhaps determine the birth place of the 50 year old Laundress. By 1851 Frances turns up at 7 Sandwich Street St Pancras daughter of John SMITH. I have more questions on this matter yet......but this willdo for now. Grateful for any help Eveder.   

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Family History Programs, Tree Organisation, Presentation / Re: Im sure this seems obvious but..... how do you get good quality printed trees ?
« on: Tuesday 23 January 07 10:57 GMT (UK)  »
Your problem is solved if you can obtain a CD of Softkey's Family Tree' It is Quite old. Writen for Windows 3.1 & 95 but works without trouble on Xp. Prints in many formats but ideal for printing sections of tree on A4 and joning up to suit requirements.   

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Hertfordshire Lookup Requests / St Mary's parish register - SMITH
« on: Wednesday 17 January 07 13:21 GMT (UK)  »
looking for a JOHN[JOB}SMITH born about 1795. parents
John Smith & Frances Palmer. Think is Hemel Hempstead but could also be Aldbury or Great Gaddesden

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