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Many thanks for such a quick reply. Though I was not asking for a birth certificate. I was however hoping that someone might be able to look up Sarah's birth in the parish register for Selworthy and then be able to confirm, or not, that her parents were John and Agnes Floyde.

I have the 1871 census for Selworthy (Village of Allerford) with Sarah aged 7 and listed as born in Selworthy (as she is on the 1881 census). I didn't bother to list this in my 1st message as it just confirms the 1881 census.

I have the Birth certificate for one of her son's where she is only listed as Sarah and while it is possible that she she has lost the Ann she has also lost the e from her surname (Floyd now not Floyde - again quite possible)

The clincher may be that there is a particular very unusual name that has passed down the female side of the family and it shows up in Sarah's offspring in Allerford and that I have a birthday book with a Sarah Floyd listed on July 15th 1863

Of course it is entirely possible that I am looking at the wrong Sarah here and that I need to be checking the Wootton Courtney one. Its just that the family home was Allerford for decades and Sarah raised her family there... or at lease we think she did!

So if Sarah was born to John and Mary on 15 July I'll need to rethink, if however she was born to John and Agnes (Agnes is also a name that got passed down the female line of my family) then I guess all well and good (?)

Quote from: cogvos on Saturday 06 June 09 00:23 BST (UK)

Alas I have no idea. Althea is a housekeeper at Tendring hall in Suffolk in 1851, according to the census, so I have no idea where she was at the time of Manning's birth. I am guessing that it was Essex, and probably in a village called Alresford (Sub district St Osyth - Tendring) as this is written on Manning's Birth certificate.

So what is on the birth cert as "place of birth" - just "Alresford", not more details? And who registered the birth, was it Althea herself?

Hi there.
From the top I have;

registration district - Tendring
1851 Birth in the sub district of Saint Osyth in the County of Essex

Columns            When and           Name if any          Sex          Name and surname of
   no                  Where born                                                                Father

 307                   Fifteenth July        Manning             Boy                 <blank>
                             1851                    Bloss
                           Alresford

Occupation of       Signature, description               When registered
father                    and residence of informant
   <blank>                        Althea Borley                  1st August  1851
                                        Mother
                                        Alresford

Then the registrars signature and a line through box 10.

So no fathers details, Althea as the informant and sadly just Alresford as the place.
 

Hi there,

To be honest I have no idea where Manning Bloss Borley obtained his first names. There are Bloss families around as well. Could it be that Althea was just not sure who the father was? Or did these families help her in her time of need? Maybe she just liked the name. I haven't managed to find an uncle or someone who might have had one or other name yet. They could be out there? Equally I have no idea why Manning is registered in Essex. As far as I can tell he came straight back to Suffolk after his birth. Or maybe not. There is a gap of 9-10 years until the1861 cenus. I have no idea where he was between his birth and then.

Kenton hall, where Althea was working in 1851,  is actually mentioned a couple of times on the net - http://www.bigenealogy.com/suffolk/kenton_parish.htm but sadly this does not go into detail about the 1700's so at present I don't have much clue, and I guess without a Rosseta stone style will probably never will 

Still if you find any of your Mannings tying in with the Borley's, or perhaps Garnhams (Althea's mother was Amy Garnham  - born between 1792 - 1797 according to the IGI) I'd be very interested to hear!

John.

Dear all,

In a word... WoW! Thank you for such quick and helpful replies!

From the top.

JenB - I goofed! and read the wrong column in my first post. Ada is listed as 18 on RG 13/3000 - full census info is Admin county Leicestershire, Civil Parish Leicester (formally Belgrave part of)  Ecclesiastical Parish - looks like New Huinba<squiggle> of St Barnabas. The '9' I quoted is actually in the 'Condition as to marriage' column (whatever that means?) - really sorry and I hope that this does not mean that I have sent everyone on a wild goose chase...  

Tati - no I confess that I have not checked 1911, as this was not available when I was last searching, but it's a good idea and thank you all for doing so.

Re the children. The only one I know for certain is Henry George Wooster, born 30 May 1903, though I don't know where, and who married in 1932. It is probable that there were others.

I cannot work out how the Belgrave family gets from Leicester if this is the correct one in 1901. if RG12 is the 1891 Census then I have them there as well... Listed as.

1901 - RG 13 3000
George Knight - age 42
Catherine Knight - age 42 (wife)
Ada Knight - age 18 (daughter)
John Knight - age 15 (son)
Fredrick Knight - age 7 (son)

1891? - RG 12/2522
George Knight - age 32
Catherine Knight - age 32
Ada knight - age 8
John Knight - age 5

I think since they have to get from Leicester to London and loose George by 1902 I can thus discount the Leicester option? Could someone see if there is a Knight family in Leicester in 1911? If they are then it is not my lot.

Alas I have no middle name for Ada, its not mentioned on the marriage cert.

In the RG12/1 - Paddington census I have

George - a widower aged 37
A 15 year old son, who's name I cannot make out
Fredrick aged 10
Ada aged 7

and
John Knight  aged 74, wonder if this is George's dad? He is a carpenter and George Wooster's occupation is listed as Wood Sawyer on his Marriage to Ada.

Oddly it looks like 13 people are living at no 69 Hampton Street, the first name being James A Beale a paper hanger and decorator and the last Charlotte Beale a widower Both born is Sussex.

I wonder if this is actually some kind of workshop with families living above, or maybe a large builders yard?

Also could it be that Ada met George due to George being apprenticed to John Knight, is there a George Wooster living nearby in 1901? She does not have an occupation listed on her marriage cert ( not sure if that is normal or not for the 1900's) and I couldn't finder her in 1901 when I searched a few years ago, other than in Leicestershire...

Many thanks for all you help!

John.

Hi,

The info I have on Joseph's occupation comes from the 1851 census for Bushey. The family were in Clay hill in 1851 and Merry hill lane in 1861 however they initially settled in Great Stanmore, the first of their 13 children was born there in 1838.

Your recollection on the marriage is correct. The IGI lists Joseph Worster marrying Rebecca Kite in Paddington. Sadly having obtained a copy of the register the entry really does look like Kite and not Hite and since the marriage was on 23 Oct 1835 the civil registration will not help.

The Elenor/Selena mystery still has me confused, though someone suggested the pronunciation of Selena can be Selenor which brings it closer, particularly if she had an unfamiliar (to the registrar) accent.

It is interesting that your correspondent mentioned that Joseph headed London-wards whilst his brother stayed in Bucks. There are Worster/Woosters listed on the land registry records in Marylebone St, Paddington at the correct time, but sadly there is no Christian name until after the marriage of Joseph and Rebecca, when an Elizabeth Wooster is living there (1835 & 1837). I have no idea how she fits into this, or even if she does, however one of Joseph and Rebecca's children was Elizabeth, bn 9 Dec 1860.

I have a copy of the will of Timothy Wooster which mentions a William Wooster, Francis Wooster, Ann Allen nee Wooster, William fleet, Thomas Wooster, Job Wooster and Joseph Wooster but no George or Selina (!) The last is really odd as Selena is listed as Buried in Wendover church in 1859 aged 82 and Timothy dies in 1833. I think the marriage of Joseph and Rebecca has an Allen as one of the witnesses, but at present cannot find the register entry I copied, and there were Allens living in Paddington at the time of their marriage.

Anyway that's pretty much as far as I have got.

J.