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Dear all,

I have run into a bit of a wall trying to locate the marriage of Joseph Wooster (Worster) and Rebecca ????

I have found the family living in Greater Stanmore, Middlesex in the 1841 census and the christenings of their children as follows;

Joseph Worster age 25 - Ag Lab
Henry Worster age 5 - bapt Jan 29 1837
Charles Worster age 2  bapt 7 Jul 1839
Rebecca Worster age 25
Eliza Worster age 3 - bapt 18 Feb 1838

They are still in Greater Stanmore in 1851, however the name has now changed to Wooster which it remains in subsequent census.
In 1851 and 1861 Joseph lists his occupation as Beer shop keeper and hay dealer and birthplace as Wendover, Bucks
Rebecca is listed as born in Colmworth, Bedfordshire

I think that Rebecca's madden name might have been Hite, there is a Rebecca Hite baptised in Colmworth in 1819, one of 3 illegitimate children of Ann Hite - who's husband had been transported for sheep stealing in 1805- and the IGI has an entry for one of Joseph and Rebecca's later children, Elizabeth who was born in Bushey, Hertfordshire in 1860 where Mother's surname is Hite.

Unfortunately I cannot find a marriage for Joseph Wooster/Worster and Rebecca Hite. The closest I have got is in Paddington, St James as follows

Joseph Wooster of this parish, bachelor, and Rebecca Kile of this parish, Spinster, married by Banns 23 October 1834. Neither were literate.

To add (or maybe not) to my confusion. It is possible that Joseph's parent's were Timothy and Selenor (rhymes with ellenor) and he was baptised in Ellseborgh Bucks (parish next door to Wendover). I have the will of Timothy Wooster which mentions Joseph amongst his children along with a daughter called Ann Allen (a widow). The will was proven on 28 September 1833. The added confusion is that one of the witnesses to the wedding  I have found is Burgess (? unsure of this name) Allen. Since Ann is a widow before 1833 I am guessing that Burgess(?) is her son. Checking the land tax for Paddington showed me that Wooster and Allen lived close to each other, however the only Christian name entry for the Wooster family is Elizabeth Wooster in 1835, not sadly Rebecca or Joseph. Prior to this they are just listed as Wooster.

As you can see I have got into a bit of a mess with this and hope that someone can help me untangle it.

J.

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Suffolk / Re: Manning Bloss BORLEY - Father - Robert LIMOU - fact or fiction?
« on: Wednesday 05 September 07 11:27 BST (UK)  »
Hi Valda,

Many thanks for the info on the census workings it will help me a lot when looking through them.

I now have a copy of the 1851 census and hope that I'll be able to get to Colchester some time in the coming months to see if there are any settlement or court records relating to Manning and a possible father.

Also thank you for finding the clarification on birth certificates. The link was especially useful as it mentions the fact that some people just learnt to write their name, but still could not read. I had no idea about this and naively assumed that a signed name meant that the person was literate. Just goes to show that you can never assume anything when looking at old records!

J.

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Suffolk / Re: Manning Bloss BORLEY - Father - Robert LIMOU - fact or fiction?
« on: Thursday 30 August 07 10:28 BST (UK)  »
Hi,

Many thanks for clearing up the 1861 census. I confess that I am not very good at deciphering handwriting. I spent ages looking for a Thomas Wills only to find out he was a Wiles and then later that he wasn't part of my tree at all !

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Suffolk / Re: Manning Bloss BORLEY - Father - Robert LIMOU - fact or fiction?
« on: Wednesday 29 August 07 16:55 BST (UK)  »
Dear Valda and Lizdb,

Once again many thanks for the replies.

I have a copy of Manning's birth certificate from the GRO and this does not list a father. I have yet to visit the Essex records so do not know if there is perhaps a Bastardy case which might name a possible father, or if there is a father listed on the parish register. I would suspect not, but I have come across a couple of GRO transcription problems so might be in for a surprise...

Not withstanding this I have a copy of Manning Borley and Sara Snell's marriage certificate where both 'fathers' are listed. When I visited Ipswich I was able to trace Sarah's family in Burgh, Daughter of Francis Snell and Sarah Last.

Having said that I have the 1851 census for Althea (first post) I now can't find it (!) I tend to write the year on the census records I keep as I can never work out the references. Unfortunately I didn't do this on one of Althea's - it's reference is RG 9 1097 and is for Batalph near Colchester. Althea is listed as 40 years old (so it's probably the 1861 census) as a housekeeper at number 33 with Thomas Segmer (age 22) an <illegible> Assistant and Mary A Goodchild (also 22) a servant.

It looks like I should start by getting hold of the 1851 census (or at least try and find where it's got to) and then work from there.  It could well be that Althea had a relationship with someone in the household where she was house keeper.

J.

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Suffolk / Re: Manning Bloss BORLEY - Father - Robert LIMOU - fact or fiction?
« on: Friday 24 August 07 15:11 BST (UK)  »
Many thanks for your reply,

Hmm, you know it might be limon. Manning married a Sarah Snell and on the certificate this actually looks like Sarah Suell. I hadn't noticed that before!

Sadly I haven't been able to get to Chelmsford records yet, Manning's birth is the only connection any of my current tree has with Essex. Althea was born in Suffolk, Manning married there, and it looks like the Snells and Borleys are a long standing standing Suffolk residents. I guess I could stop off on my next visit to Ipswich, or perhaps pop a research request on roots. I've only just joined so am finding my feet.


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Suffolk / Manning Bloss BORLEY - Father - Robert LIMOU - fact or fiction?
« on: Thursday 23 August 07 18:31 BST (UK)  »
Dear all,

My research has turned this up which I am baffled about.

Manning Bloss Borley was baptised in Tendring (Essex, but you'll see why I'm posting here shortly) on 15 Jul 1851 the illegitimate child to Althea Borley.

Althea was born in Barham, Suffolk on 3 Feb 1820 to George Borley and Amy Garnham and apparently never married. I have traced her in the 1841,51,61,71,81 and 91 census - minus Manning and she tended to move around a lot.

Manning was adopted by William and Mary Watkins, He is Living with them in Claydon, Suffolk in 1861 aged 9 and is still with them in 1871 shortly before he marries in 1873. The fact that he appears to have been adopted by a completely unrelated family is a bit unusual in itself. Most adoptions around this time were by relatives, or so I have been told by the national archive people.

It's his marriage certificate that has me really puzzled as this states Manning Bloss Borley's father is Robert Limou.

Given that Manning spent most of his life with his adopted parents, and may never have known his mother (I have no evidence either way) I am baffled as to how he could know his fathers name. Further the fathers occupation is listed as a Farmer, yet has far as I can tell Robert Limou never existed. I can find no record of him, or a similar name in Freebmd, or in any census. I would be less sceptical if the fathers occupation was listed as sailor/mariner etc since Tendring is close to the coast and the name does sound French Limoux, perhaps)

Equally I can't really see why Manning would invent such an unusual name, why not Jim Smith, or Taylor?

Has anyone else had something similar? Is Limou perhaps a poor house alias for illegitimate? Has anyone who is researching in Suffolk come across any Limou's or similar?

Hoping someone can shed a bit of light.

J.

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Buckinghamshire / Joseph WOOSTER (WORSTER/WORCESTER/WODSTER) bc 1813 Bucks
« on: Thursday 23 August 07 17:19 BST (UK)  »
Dear all,

My first post here so hope that someone can help me with a conundrum. I am trying to research the parents of Joseph Wooster (Worster, Worcester, Wodster), born around 1813 in Buckinghamshire. On the 1851 and 1861 census he is a Beershop keeper and hay and straw dealer who gives his birthplace as Wendover.  Married to a Rebecca Hite (or Hile or Kile) of Colmworth, Bedfordshire and living in Greater Stanmore, Middx.

Now there are a *lot* of Woosters in Wendover and Bucks but no Joseph close to that date. A correspondent of mine suggested a possible baptism in Ellesbourgh (next door parish) and that his parents were Timothy and Silena. I checked their lead and found;

Joseph Worcester son of Timothy and Elena Bn 18 Oct  1812.

Ok so the mothers name is different, my lead giver mentioned that she had to throw a lot of items out when she moved so the info was from memory. The problem is that I also found

Joseph Worster son of Thomas and Elizabeth Bn Turville, 3 Oct 1813 and
Joseph Wooster son of Timothy and Hester Bn Wendover 6 Dec 1807

The last is a bit too early but the other is a good match, just not in the right place. It's entirely possible that he was born in Turville and then moved to Wendover at an early age or that he was christened in Ellessbourgh and the family lived in Wendover.

Unfortunately I could not find any record of any other children born to either Timothy and Elenor or Thomas and Elizabeth in Wendover. I found one other child to Timothy and Elenor , George, bapt in Ellsesbourgh on 20 July 1817 but none in Wendover. This sort of discounts the idea that he lived in or moved to Wendover unless there really were no more children. (or I missed them  :()

There are however many children born to Timothy and Selina Wooster born in Wendover and Timothy and Hester.

Does anyone have any clues as to how I can untangle this?

Many thanks

J.

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