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Quote from: rich23434565 on Sunday 03 May 15 15:07 BST (UK)

Quote from: Bookbox on Saturday 02 May 15 18:50 BST (UK)

At this date solutus/soluta just means 'unmarried' -- literally 'free' (to marry).

So why do you think it only appears about three times in a couple of hundred marriages? Surely nearly all the brides were free to marry?

That is the standard meaning of the term. Whether there was a specialist usage in the particular register you’re looking at, I couldn’t say.

Was this marriage by licence? Or the other examples that you’ve found in the same register? If so, perhaps soluta refers to the bride being ‘free’ from all legal impediment to marry, as sworn in the allegation for the licence. That’s just a guess, and I can’t recall ever seeing the term used in that specific way.

I think you've solved it. The other example of 'solut' on the page was also a marriage by licence so it seems 'solut' was the rector's way of saying 'by licence'. I'll check out some others but I suspect this is indeed what happened.

 

Do the Northleach registers have any Gutheridge entries? And where were Eleanor's parents buried?

as far as I know, there are no Gutheridges in Northleach at this time. I checked the register and couldn't see any.

Eleanor's parents, her father at least, seem to have been buried in Gloucester:

1695 25 Dec: Burial - Thomas Gutheridge of the parish of St Mary de Lode

What is perhaps his son, also called Thomas, seems to have married in 1716 so I believe this burial is probably of Eleanor's father.

There are a whole bunch of Gutheridge/Gotheridge/Goodrichs living at Charlton Kings and Cheltenham in the 16th and 17th centuries. By a strange coincidence, I'm descended from them via someone who married into the family via a totally different branch to the one I mentioned in the OP. It means I've done quite a bit of research into Gotheridges in Gloucestershire prior to finding the Gloucester marriage between John Young and Eleanor Gutheridge. Eleanor Gutheridge/Goodrich, as a name, just doesn't come up.

The problem, as always, is the possibility that the register recording Eleanor's baptism has simply been lost and the baptism at Gloucester stands out merely because it still exists.

I think all I can do is tentatively suggest that the Gloucester Eleanor Gutheridge is the right one because, so far, I've not found anything to disprove the theory.

Yes, I think it's probably a spelling of Katherine. It looks to be written as 'Katerne'.

Alexander

Thanks again 

I think this topic is completed now, mods.

I think the missing word is simply 'barptysed' (baptised). What had been written on the previous line was 'barpsed' (missing the 'ti'), and then the whole word was crossed out.

Also, the date is xviiith (18th) not 23rd.

Alexander

Yes, that would make sense! Thanks.

Do you think it's definitely Katherine (or some variation)?

Hi
Several Wills for Thomas Gotheridges on Ancestry living in Gloucester.
Can't spot one mentioning Eleanor but there are ones 1696(buried 20.12.1695 of St Mary de Loadeat St Catherine Gloucester ),1724 Gloucester and 1728 Stow in the Wold.
None NorthLeach.
Ciderdrinker

Thanks for those

I've checked them out and no, none mention Eleanor, but I've found that the Eleanor Gutheridge baptised in 1680 had siblings called Thomas, William and one possibly called Richard (very faint). I'm sure the Wills you mentioned are related to the same Gutheridge family. It's just a case of finding a connection. Thomas Gutheridge's mother was called Eleanor, so at least that explains why he named his first daughter Eleanor.

I'm starting to convince myself that the Eleanor Gutheridge baptised in 1680 in Gloucester is the same one as married John Young. It seems to me too much of a coincidence that they should travel all that way and just happened to get married in the same church where many of the Gloucester Gutheridge's were baptised or buried, including one named Eleanor.