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Lancashire / Re: Bigamous marriage/divorce proceedings Lancashire WAIN v LOWE
« on: Monday 10 June 19 08:26 BST (UK)  »
Hi,
Thanks for your reply. No, I haven't searched for that couple yet on the 1939 Register but will do so. There are several Alice Wains in various places throughout England who are shown on the 1939 register but all appear to be accompanied by a spouse of the same surname. If the 1938 marriage turns out to be 'mine', there would be no children as she would have been 61 years of age.
Thanks for the heads up on the Absent Voters List 1918 - I had forgotten about that.
It's a nuisance that he wasn't consistent with his first name - sometimes Wilfred, others William; makes him more difficult to find.
I still can't see an option to add files to this posting so will need to look into how to achieve that from the Help file.
I will continue to nibble away at this.
Joan

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Lancashire / Re: Bigamous marriage/divorce proceedings Lancashire WAIN v LOWE
« on: Sunday 09 June 19 06:14 BST (UK)  »
To anyone who might still have an interest in my quest, here is an update.

It took a long time for the marriage certificate to arrive; apparently the .pdf service is not available for marriages yet. And, as anticipated, there were no surprise notations to be found on it. So I now assume that Clara and Wilfred just parted and that she didn't report him to the authorities.

Since receiving the certificate and writing this, spare time to do research has been scarce due to root canal dentistry and a rather pleasant holiday in Adelaide. Anyway, I have found a few things on which I would now like the opinion of anyone who has the time, please.

I am interested to find out what happened to Alice and to that end I found her in 2 censuses and (I think) on a shipping list.

In 1900 she is living with her family in Fulton, Rock County, Wisconsin; her father is Thomas Kealy (sp.variation).

In 1920 she is 43 and living with her sisters Catherine, 47 a librarian and Margaret, 45 a dressmaker and all say they are single. Name spelling now Kiely. They live in New Jersey.

 Alice's occupation on both of these censuses is that of school mistress. However, in 1921 she is to be found with no occupation boarding with a Stephen (possibly) BARNES or BINNS, 52 year old widower and brother in law of Alice. And Alice is saying that she is also a widow and her name is now given as Alice WAIN. If anyone can help with the surname of Stephen I would appreciate it. I have been unable to find a marriage to either BINNS or BARNES to KEALY.

As I was unable to find Alice in later censuses I thought I would try Passenger Lists. On 24th June 1928 Alice is on the shipping list for a Cunard vessel “Alaunia” from Montreal to London. She has obviously made up the address where she is to stay saying it will be 3 Victoria Terrace, Nottingham, Bromley, Kent. I suspect that 'Nottingham' came from hearing Wilfred tell her that was where his father came from. Whilst her name is last on the list in the W section, and has been transcribed as WEINS she must have made it difficult for the list compiler to read as it appears as “Ewins” but age is correct.


NAME:
Alice Weins
ARRIVAL AGE:
51
BIRTH DATE:
1877
PORT OF DEPARTURE:
Montréal, Québec, Canada
ARRIVAL DATE:
24/06/1928
PORT OF ARRIVAL:
London, England
PORTS OF VOYAGE:
New York; Plymouth, Devon, England
SHIP NAME:
Alaunia
SHIPPING LINE:
Cunard Steamship Company Ltd
OFFICIAL NUMBER:
147315
HOUSEHOLD MEMBERS:
31492614


There is a marriage for an Alice Wain in England in 1938. Alice would have been 61 by this time so probably not her. Spouse is William H CLARKE. However, there appear to be no children born to this marriage so still a possibility.

First Name
Alice
Last Name
Wain
Gender
Female
Year
1938
Spouse
Clarke
Image Quarter
1
Country
England
County
Lancashire
District
Ince
Volume
8C
Page
141
Line Number
61

I will consider getting this marriage certificate at some time.

I found several Alice Keeley and Alice Wain ladies on the 1939 list but most of them were also living with a presumed spouse. Unfortunately, no ages to match exactly.

Going back to Wilfred and his Army Service, I have yet to find out where to look for his Records. There are images of 2 pieces I found for 'a' Wilfred Wain but at present have no confirmation that this is my Wilfred.One is the record of the Victory and British War Medals awarded to Pte.60077 Wilfred WAIN of the Notts and Derbys Regiment and the other has revealed something I missed on first reading it. It is the Roll of Individuals Entitled to the "War Badge". The same Wilfred (No.60077) is on that list as receiving the Badge but what I missed earlier was the date of his enlistment - it matches that on his Papers of Attestation referred to earlier, so must be the right person I was looking for - yippee! But there is an anomaly on this Roll as his age is given as 21 when he would, in fact, have been 41.

 Discharged on 11 April 1919  he just missed out on seeing his daughter Gertrude Ellen married on 29th March 1919 at St.Catherine's Church, Wigan to Enoch ASHURST, 23, an Engine Tender and Fireman of 71 Smethurst Lane, Pemberton.

Attached are relevant documents for your comments, please. Sorry, I can't get the Help page to load to find out how to add files as attachments. Now read that. No matter how many times I click on the Attachment arrow, it doesn't give me an option to attach anything. So here goes without attachments.
OzzieJoan




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Lancashire / Re: Bigamous marriage/divorce proceedings Lancashire WAIN v LOWE
« on: Friday 08 March 19 04:47 GMT (UK)  »
Maiden Stone: I have tried both those censuses. However, it's entirely possible that as Wilfred/William left her, she could be living with another man and with another name.

Jen: Thanks, I will do that for sure so that someone else would have the whole story up to now. At the moment I am trying to find out if there is something similar to FreeBMD where I might find if Alice had a child soon after she married Wilfred. She was, after all, 38 years of age and needed to get on with it if that was their intention. But she could also have died in childbirth and thus the marriage to my Grand Aunt would not have been bigamous.

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Lancashire / Re: Bigamous marriage/divorce proceedings Lancashire WAIN v LOWE
« on: Monday 04 March 19 22:03 GMT (UK)  »
Good morning, I just had an email from Joy Murrin and apparently there was a misunderstanding. Here is her reply:

Joan, I thought the marriage you were asking about occurred in NSW, but it is an English marriage and I cannot say for sure whether bigamy charges/dissolvments are noted on the English Registrations.  They are in NSW.
 
Sorry I cannot be of more help than this.
 
Joy

But the certificate is still on the way.

I have no idea how Clara came to find out that Wilfred/William was still married unless he confessed it to her. I would still like to find out what happened to the Alice Keeley he married in Illinois. She doesn't come up on FamilySearch as a death or a re-marriage. I don't know where else to look for USA records.

Thanks for everything,
OzzieJoan

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Lancashire / Re: Bigamous marriage/divorce proceedings Lancashire WAIN v LOWE
« on: Monday 04 March 19 09:14 GMT (UK)  »
JenB, I have ordered the certificate of my Grand Aunt Clara based on the following information:

Good morning Joan,
 
On the marriage in 1920 it will list the annullment and if it was a bigamous marriage it will also list those details.  Do you hvae a transcription or copy of the certificate for that Marriage?
 
Joy.

We will have to wait and see I guess.

Thanks again for all the help.
OzzieJoan

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Lancashire / Re: Bigamous marriage/divorce proceedings Lancashire WAIN v LOWE
« on: Monday 04 March 19 08:10 GMT (UK)  »
Yes, Maiden Stone, AVM228 has the right birth as all the censuses confirm Samuel and Ellen as being his parents, backed up by his daughter Gertrude living with her paternal grandparents, Samuel and Ellen in 1911.

And JenB, why do I never remember LancsOPC, it's such a fantastic resource?

I have ordered the marriage certificate from Joy Murrin as she is of the opinion that there will be more information noted on it. Hopefully she is right and I will post it when it arrives.

Please don't go any further with the English side of this at the minute. However, if anyone can find out what happened to Alice Keeley (Kealey) or tell me where to look I would love that.
Thanks for now. Back soon.
OzzieJoan

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Lancashire / Re: Bigamous marriage/divorce proceedings Lancashire WAIN v LOWE
« on: Monday 04 March 19 00:10 GMT (UK)  »
Hey guys, so many pieces of your information seem to be fitting together. The migration in 1910 to America alongside other Painters; Gertrude Ellen WAIN b.Sep qt. 1896 as being the daughter from Wilfred's marriage in June qt.1896 (not 1898 Jen so you got it right) to Ethel Bithell; death at age 20 of Ethell, presumably from child birth same quarter as birth of Gertrude Ellen; Gertrude living with paternal grandparents in 1911; marriage to Alice Keeley in Wisconsin would have been legal as he was a widower.

I can only presume that Alice Keeley was still alive when Wilfred returned to Wigan as that would seem to be the only bigamous marriage, unless she had died. I've never researched USA records for BMD but I did a quick look on FamilySearch and she didn't turn up there as dead.

I'm doubtful about the 1875 William WAIN who tried to get into the Canadian Forces. On Family Search the Alice WAIN that I found which matched had 2 children. But I can't find that page now and I didn't copy it.... :o Can't do any more here at the minute, work demands attention.

I shall return, OzzieJoan

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Lancashire / Re: Bigamous marriage/divorce proceedings Lancashire WAIN v LOWE
« on: Sunday 03 March 19 10:43 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks to each of you for giving me different bits to sort out.
I really have nothing more than his marriage to Clara and the fact that he had an American accent to go on. Perhaps the bigamy was not with anyone in US but with the Ethel Bithell lady.

The only other positive thing I have is a photo of him and Clara, possibly taken on their wedding day.

I did have the feeling that the marriage would have been annulled rather than having a divorce. But in that case would a marriage certificate still be obtainable? If so, I could see if that gives any other clues but he could have lied about anything so perhaps not a lot of value in getting it.

I have relations in Wigan who might be able to find out a bit more for me but they work and are a bit restricted in time to spend on this.

Jen: You've got 2 different names, Gertrude Ellen and Gertrude Ethel are they 2 different women? I'm just a bit confused. Actually, I've been struggling with this and other FH bits all day and I think I need to give it a rest before I implode  ???

Thank you all for what you have sent me. I have copied it to look at more closely later.

Joan

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Lancashire / Bigamous marriage/divorce proceedings Lancashire WAIN v LOWE
« on: Sunday 03 March 19 09:12 GMT (UK)  »
My Grand Aunt Clara Hetty (GREGORY) LOWE married Wilfred WAIN in Wigan 8c/142 June qt.1920 following the death in WWI of her husband, John Thomas LOWE.

From here it is family lore. Wilfred was still married to a lady shown here:

Groom name: Wilfred Wain
Groom age in years: 40
Groom estimated birth year: 1875
Bride name: Alice M. Keeley
Bride age in years: 38
Bride estimated birth year: 1877
Event type: Marriage
Marriage date: 19 May 1915
Marriage place: Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Film number: 1030596
Digital GS number: 4272391
Image number: 89
Reference number: 695788
Collection: Illinois, Cook County Marriages 1871-1920

*************************************************************

Where would I look to find any information on a possible divorce. WAIN and Clara certainly parted company shortly after the marriage but I would like to know the circumstances, did he go to jail, or manage to flee back to the US?

Thanks, OzzieJoan

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