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Thank you Hanes Teulu & BumbleB for putting in the time to search for information on this difficult to find John Turner. It is always difficult sorting out multiple pieces of information so here is what we have.

Solid information:
1) John Turner bap. 29 Aug 1803 at St. John's, Lane End (Longton)
2) Confirmed that it was John who applied for Administration of his fathers will. So John was alive in 1835 and his occupation was potter. (Aged 39)

Pieces found:
1) disregard the burial of the 5yo John Turner-1809 Longton (dosen't fit with any other known family either).
2) Should we disregard all information on this John being a Chemist???
Was the research for the book "Turners of Lane End" wrong when it said that one of the grandsons was a chemist. Afterall this could include a son of a daughter of the original potter of which there were two that married and had children but they would not have been Turners.
No ... I won't disregard it yet ... The aging Bevis Hillier has sent me all his research notes for the book. There are about a thousand pieces of paper containing jottings. Now that I have a fourth thing to look for from his book I'll go over them again to see if I can find where he obtained that chemist information.
3) Disregard the 1841 census where he was described as a Carter ...
4) Disregard the 29th Oct 1841 burial as we know that in 1835 our John was 39.

Summery:
a) A previous search for a Chemist named Turner in Lane End/Longton turned up fruitless but here we now have proof of a John Turner Chemist of Lane End.

b) In 1835 (we know this is our John Turner) is recorded as being a potter.

So we have two John Turners and only one is found in the 1841 census. Why .. Did one move or die???
The chemist is still found in 1851

It is looking as if John Turner the potter did marry Elizabeth Walton 1825 St Peter ad Vincula at Stoke. Interesting since the Church apparently wasn't built till 1826 however there must have been something there. Perhaps an earlier church and the new one well under construction.

What does the classification of "Potter" actually mean? Most people working in a pottery have their own employment names. The name potter infers that they are a master potter that have gone through an apprentership. This is likely to have happened during his fathers re-emergence back into trading 1824-1829 as both sons would have been old enough. So after 1829 final bankruptcy the boys would have been looking for work anywhere they could find it so they may not have stayed in Longton.

One last request:
It is over six years since I looked at your census details so I can't remember just how big each area covered.
Could the Census search be broadened to try to find him working as a potter or for a potter somewhere else?
Whilst looking please include his brother William.

Regards, Rob

hanes teulu
Now that is so very interesting because in the book "The Turners of Lane End" by Bevis Hillier is says that one of John Turners Grandsons (d. 1787) was a Chemist. It fails to identify which grandson. I have searched for this information and so did the author of a book when researching this Johns sister Mary Ann Turner (Staffordshire Women).

I'll have to look that up.

No ... Hanes Teulu
The man you referred to (John Turner) is the brother of the William Turner I mentioned in my initial post. John Entwhistle Turner died in Australia.

Information on the brothers can be found here http://www.thepotteries.org/allpotters/1009.htm
Any deaths relating to this brother and family should be found in Brewood, Wolverhampton & Australia. (This is my family line)

This search is being kept strictly to the 1st son of William Turner at this time. (Did he marry and have children)?

Regards Rob

Thanks for the reply Trish
I have now moved on to a search for info on one of her sons in a new post in the Staffordshire Forum
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=793533.new#new
Rob