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I can find GRO index for this marriage in South Shields, nothing on Findmypast Durham marriages, no family trees in Ancestry with more information. UKbmds seem to have no transcripts. Can anyone do better than me and find if it was a church/ chapel or Register Office marriage, and - even better - a transcription or image of the event?

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: Not Expected Parent Cunningham
« on: Friday 01 November 19 18:44 GMT (UK)  »
As I  said, I didn't know you could, and I don't know how. I'll go and check how now. I may be back for an "idiot's guide" to doing it.

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: Not Expected Parent Cunningham
« on: Friday 01 November 19 18:34 GMT (UK)  »
I am making separate trees. I don't want to muck up my principal tree. I don't know how to connect and disconnect bits from the tree connected to her DNA

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: Not Expected Parent Cunningham
« on: Friday 01 November 19 12:44 GMT (UK)  »
That last should have been for Craclyn, sorry.
As to pughcd's suggestion, we are clearly in similar circumstances, but the only known illegitimate ancestor in my tree is on my father's side; these Cunninghams are my mother's DNA matches. No missing fathers anywhere in my mother's tree.
as to your possible problem of  "another (different?) NEP somewhere", the lack of Hepple/ Mitchell and Hurrion/ Stuart matches and the really large number of Cunningham matches has made me wonder whether BOTH Henrietta Hurrion and Robert Mitchell Hepple were Cunningham cuckoos!

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: Not Expected Parent Cunningham
« on: Friday 01 November 19 12:36 GMT (UK)  »
follow up - to pughcd.
I have a very bushy Cunningham tree with all the collateral lines leading to all my DNA matches but it does not intersect anywhere with my GRO birth certificate backed great grandmother Henrietta Hurrion, who has an official father (who may or may not have been her biological father).
Nor does it intersect with my 2 x gt grandfather Robert Mitchell Hepple bapt 16 Oct St Hilda South Shields whose parents were identified at the baptism as the same parents he was brought up by. If Thomas Hepple was not his father, he didn't know it.
Or am I misunderstanding your suggestion?

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: Not Expected Parent Cunningham
« on: Friday 01 November 19 12:23 GMT (UK)  »
pughcd and Craclyn (sorry , not seeing puch's post and RC name.)
thank you both so much for taking the trouble to re-animate this thread. I hope i am picking up on all your advice here and explaining how much I have already done on those lines. When I have posted this, I'll look back to check and also start running with any suggestion you've made which i have not attempted. I can do any paper chase research and construct the bushiest of dozens of trees ..... but I am a historian with absolutely no scientific training whatsoever.
I have made a separate Cunningham tree and have fitted in most of my Cunningham matches - over 30 at this point. I know them well, now! There is no doubt that proximity at the time of the births of my great grandmother Henrietta Hurrion and my 2x great grandfather Robert Mitchell Hepple points up John Cunningham 1802 and his son James Fairweather Cunningham as the possible father cuckoos. I have matches to Cunninghams descended from Jame's siblings and some that look like Hendersons (James's wife Eleanor Henderson)
I have made 2 x trees for my mother with the official Hurrion line removed and the relevant James Fairweather Cunningham with temporary proximity and temporary time slot added as father of my great grandmother Henrietta Hurrion b Strood 1866 instead of William Ashdown Hurrion 1831 Tonbridge, Kent. I have not so far restored the Hurrions and done a different one for Robert Mitchell Hepple, South Shields 1838 who would have been fathered by James's father John on Robert's mother  Mary Ann Turner 1836, Warkworth Nbd.
It would be easy to choose by elimination if I had any Hurrion DNA matches or Hepple/ Mitchell matches, but I have neither.

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I put the list into this conversation as requested by Philip and Ruskie. But it went somewhere else....
GRO Birth certificates

Edward Riches Sweeting, born 27 June 1843 2 Wellington Place, son of James Sweeting and Mary Sweeting formerly Orange, occupation of father silversmith, registered by James Sweeting, father, 2 Wellington Place, 8th Aug 1843
and
Edward Sweeting born 10 Sept 1846 2 Wellington Place, s/o as above mother as above, occupation ditto registered the x mark of Mary Sweeting, mother 2 Wellington Place 20 Oct 1846

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HELP? WHERE HAS MY LIST GONE?
 I listed parents of James Sweeting (William 1775-1862 silversmith and Mary Riches) addresses for bapts of their children Leonard St, Hosier Lane 1801-1813, then James, son no 2 1803 - 1860 also a silversmith and his 2 women Elizabeth Eldon wife chn born 1823 -1829 (Eliz.th Mary, Amelia, William, James Henry, Martha Lydia) mainly KIng Johns Ct area to 1825, St Lukes 1828, Haggerson 1829 and Mary (Sophia) Orange partner chn born 1832 - 1846. Most known addresses Wellington Row BG but several baptismal addresses New Inn Yard (1832,1844) . Some births known only from burials: twins Charles and Lydia 1832, George 1833-4, George 1834-5, Henry (James) my 2x gt gfather 1836, Charles Ernest 1837, Louis 1838, David 1840, Alfred 1841, Edward Riches 1843, Mary Susan 1844 and Edward 1846 with bapts and Churches and addresses given. I noted addresses from Land Tax and the places of birth given by the surviving children in censuses.
AND IT IS NOT HERE!
Silversmithing was concentrated in Clerkenwell, furniture trades in Shoreditch - note enormous number of timberyards around New Inn Yard.
Joseph Orange was father of Mary Sophia Orange. He was a cabinet maker. He gave Curtain Road, New Inn Yard addresses in 1804, 1807, 1811, Woods Buildings 1821, and York Street BG 1814. He was listed as an elector there in 1838, and died there in 1863.
I still don't get it. I give up!

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New Inn Street was very long, NIY was off it. Property belonged to Bateman (see Bateman's Buildings) I think Woods Buildings and King John's Ct were all part of the Warren. 100s of baptisms. Including some of Mary (Sophia)'s siblings. I'm off to check my A_Zs of Georgian, Regency and Victorian London; haven't looked for years.
Then to look at Joseph and Susanna's children inc Mary Sophia, born Curtain Rd Shoreditch 1804 bapt 1805.

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