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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / William Charles Hoaten
« on: Thursday 05 August 10 21:32 BST (UK)  »
Hi

I am really stumped with this man, have been hitting a brick wall with him for 4 years.

If anyone out there can help me I would be very grateful.  This is what I know:
William, born in Staines in 1876 or 1879, came to South Africa in 1899. Soon after he was attested in to the BSAP and did service in the Anglo-Boer war and in WW1 (a Lieutenant in German East Africa, now Namibia).

His 1st wife was came to SA in 1907. After she died he married Mabel Mary Crombie nee Cookson.
Major Hoaten was a major in the BSAP (British Police in Rhodesia).  By the time he retired, he was said to have been one of the highest ranking officers in the fledging defence forces.

There is a cutting from a Rhodesian newspaper about 1938 that describes the wedding of Mabel daughter with her 1st husband,  Mary Elizabeth Crombie to Stuart Clarkson.  In it, she is "given away by her step-father Major Hoaten."  also "There was no formal reception owing to the health of the brides mother, but some intimate friends motored out to Hillside to the resdent of Captain and Mrs Hough where the cake was cut.. ."

I am more interested in his information before he came to South Africa - his parents, siblings etc.
I have searched for any information on this William Charles Hoaten, but so far nothing has been found. It is almost as if this was a newly created person who did not exist before he came to SA - did he create a new identity or am I not looking in the 'right' places?

Please, if anyone can help me, I would really appreciate it.

Thanks

Michelle

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Lancashire Lookup Requests / Re: Barkan/Copeland
« on: Monday 26 April 10 17:57 BST (UK)  »
Oleesky deaths

Abraham 1936 aged 53 - Manchester
Morris 1966 aged 81 - Manchester
Ettie b 4.5.1898 died 1974 Heywood Lancs

Carol, once again, thanks for your input.

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Lancashire Lookup Requests / Re: Barkan/Copeland
« on: Monday 26 April 10 17:56 BST (UK)  »
Hi

Some more from 1927 directory

Abraham Oleesky
Meat Salesman (Berg & Oleesky)
74 Hawkshead St
Southport

Morris Oleesky
Butcher
8 Clarence St, Chorlton
(residence) 20 Elsworth St, Chorlton

Dave

Many thanks Dave. My friend is processing all this info at the moment.

Michelle

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Lancashire Lookup Requests / Re: Barkan/Copeland
« on: Friday 23 April 10 06:44 BST (UK)  »
Caplan could be Copeland. Some Jews do sometimes try to 'modernise' or Anglicise our surnames in the hope of 'fitting in' and 'being accepted' especially when leaving behind a persecuted society - in this case Cossaks.

Thanks for this additional bone to chew on.

Michelle

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Lancashire Lookup Requests / Re: Barkan/Copeland
« on: Thursday 22 April 10 20:35 BST (UK)  »
Hi

If as Carole says and Abie is Abraham, there is this entry from the 1927 directory

Abraham Luft
Commercial Traveller
7 Ruskin Ave
Chorlton

Dave

Many thanks for this. It all builds up. Tomorrow when I show Esther what you generous people have found on her family as a starting point she will be floored. Now I need to teach her how to use the computer.....

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Lancashire Lookup Requests / Re: Barkan/Copeland
« on: Thursday 22 April 10 20:32 BST (UK)  »
I wonder if "Abie" Luft was Abraham

Deaths September qtr 1941 Abraham Luft aged 43  Manchester  8d  346

And Ethel/Ettie's re-marriage June qtr 1947 to Morris Woliski or Oleesky at Manchester, New Synagogue/Beth Hamedrash Synagogue


Abie/Abe is an abbreviation of Abraham - well done for catching this!

Thanks to your help the information is blooming!!!

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Lancashire Lookup Requests / Re: Barkan/Copeland
« on: Thursday 22 April 10 20:30 BST (UK)  »
Hi Michelle

From the 1927 Kelly's directory

Harris Barkan
Bootmaker
101 Bury New Rd
Salford

Julius & David Barkan
Ironmongers
33 Stretford Rd
Hulme

Miss Rose Barkan
Draper
95 Bury New Rd
Salford

Hope this helps in some way

Regards, Dave

Rose is definitely correct, David probably correct.
I wonder if Julius is the person my friend refers to as Jud?
Harris seems to be family - not sure yet how he fits in.

Thanks

Michelle

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Dublin / Re: Barkan/Copeland
« on: Thursday 22 April 10 18:57 BST (UK)  »
Thanks, will do this with my friend tomorrow.

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Dublin / Re: Barkan/Copeland
« on: Thursday 22 April 10 18:51 BST (UK)  »
1901 census is due online by mid-June 2010 and you should be able to find the family in Ireland.

Added I'd searched for Barkan earlier since your 1st post wasn't clear about who was in Dublin. Shane has probably found Jacob's birth registration.
Isaac Copeland birth Oct./Dec.1894 Dublin South- also a possible marriage for Isaac in index- put 'copeland' in search box then narrow down by place (Dublin) and first name (I).

Marriage index where? How do I look for this??  ???

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