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Australia / Re: Martha BATEUP 1816-1866
« on: Sunday 11 February 24 03:11 GMT (UK)  »
On the NSW BMD index her death registration is shown as Redfern so I think the Rockley mention is incorrect.   
BATEUP MARTHA 2013/1866,  THOMAS MARY Reg district REDFERN

Her death certificate should give the actual place of death and place of burial.

Judith

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Australia / Re: Martha BATEUP 1816-1866
« on: Friday 09 February 24 06:18 GMT (UK)  »
I'm wondering if she may have been buried at the Devonshire St Cemetery.  Their residence was very close to the cemetery, just in the next street I think.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devonshire_Street_Cemetery
The Devonshire Street Cemetery (also known as the Brickfield Cemetery or Sandhills Cemetery) was located between Eddy Avenue and Elizabeth Street, and between Chalmers and Devonshire streets, at Brickfield Hill, in Sydney, Australia. It was consecrated in 1820. By 1860, the cemetery was full, and it was closed in 1867.
Re-interment cemeteries
Cemetery locations in the metropolitan region that took re-interments from Devonshire Street Cemetery include Gore Hill cemetery, St Thomas Cemetery in Crows Nest, Rookwood Cemetery, Waverley Cemetery, Balmain Cemetery, Camperdown General Cemetery, Randwick General Cemetery, Bunnerong Cemetery, Field of Mars Cemetery, South Head General Cemetery and Woronora Memorial Park. Remains were also relocated outside the metropolitan area, including Sandgate Cemetery in Newcastle, New South Wales and Berkeley Pioneer Cemetery in Unanderra, New South Wales.

An index created from a number of previous collections of information, including some remaining original cemetery registers, called the Devonshire Street Cemetery re-interment register and index ("microform" format) was produced by the Library of Australian History, North Sydney, 1999. A copy is held by the State Library of New South Wales. A hardback book version was also produced.


Edit to add:
On looking at the index on-line I didn't see the name "Bateup".
https://mhnsw.au/indexes/cemeteries-and-burials/devonshire-street-cemetery-reinterment-index/?query=bateup&page=1

Nor on this list
https://gutenberg.net.au/Devonshire-street/__devonshire-namelist.html


Judith

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Australia / Re: Martha BATEUP 1816-1866
« on: Friday 09 February 24 05:58 GMT (UK)  »
This would seem to be her funeral notice, but unfortunately doesn't give the place of burial.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/13130726
Sydney Morning Herald, 7 May 1866
FUNERAL.-The Friends of Mr. THOMAS BATEUP are invited to attend the Funeral of his late departed wife, MARTHA ; the procession to move from his residence, Rosehill-street, Redfern, THIS (Monday) AFTERNOON, at 4 o'clock. J. and G. SHYING, Undertakers.  opposite Christ Church.

Judith

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Australia / Re: A Royal Marine Light Infantryman who deserted in 1879
« on: Friday 09 February 24 05:44 GMT (UK)  »
Yes, as I said, in the early days all communication from outside Australia was by documents carried by ships.
https://www.nma.gov.au/defining-moments/resources/overland-telegraph
In the early days of the colony of New South Wales, communication with Britain – the place that many settlers considered their homeland – could take years. Ships carrying letters between England and Sydney took up to eight months one way and a reliable mail service was really only available to government officials.
The overland telegraph was completed in 1872 and connected with the newly finished Java-to-Darwin submarine cable.  Australia was now connected to the world. News that had taken months to reach England could now be transmitted within hours.

So you can see why shipping was important administratively as well as for personal correspondence and goods.
Shipping notices sometimes included lists of passengers and goods carried.

Judith

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Australia / Re: A Royal Marine Light Infantryman who deserted in 1879
« on: Thursday 08 February 24 13:43 GMT (UK)  »
Shipping was reported in most port city newspapers. It was the link to the rest of the world and especially to England until the telegraph arrived.

Yes Trove is a wonderful resource.

Judith

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Australia / Re: A Royal Marine Light Infantryman who deserted in 1879
« on: Thursday 08 February 24 03:45 GMT (UK)  »
As you have said there is nothing on his military record re the days 6 March 1879 to 16 April 1879, although he was listed as being on HMS Danae from 16 April to 7 July.  Both Wolverine and Danae were Royal Navy ships but both were seconded to the Australia Station (the British, and later Australian, naval command responsible for the waters around the Australian continent)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Wolverine_(1863)
Danae was a steam corvette, (not to be confused with a WW1 ship of the same name)
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/199358196

Interestingly, Wolverine had only returned into Sydney from a south seas cruise on July 3, 1879, having left Sydney on March 19, 1879; Benjamin had deserted from HMS Sapphire in January.  Benjamin is supposedly attached to HMS Wolverine from 22 February to  March, during which time, according to the newspaper reports, Wolverine was in the South Pacific. (A bit tricky to return to your ship if it's not there  ::) :P, however perhaps that's the reason for him to be on the Danae)
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/239285434?searchTerm=wolverine

I suspect that he may have been held in the brig of either the Wolverine or the Danae for the 42 days imprisonment and this not on his record as he was not a serving marine for the days of imprisonment.

All bit convoluted!

Judith
If anyone else is interested his RN records can be accessed through
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D7775167

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Australia / Re: Shipping Arrival Info - Johan CEDERLUND
« on: Wednesday 07 February 24 11:37 GMT (UK)  »
Although his death and marriage were registered in NSW the towns he lived in were close to the Murray. These Riverina towns were closer to Melbourne than Sydney so he may well have arrived in Melbourne and made his way north. Many of the Murray towns have a ‘twin’ on the other side of the river eg Albury/Wodonga, Corowa/Wahgunyah and the traditional footy played in the area tends to be Aussie Rules (need I say more!)  ::).

Judith

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Australia / Re: Shipping Arrival Info - Johan CEDERLUND
« on: Tuesday 06 February 24 22:47 GMT (UK)  »
This would appear to be his death in the NSW BDM index:

1907 #8725, reg Corowa
John CEDERLAND
Parents: JOHN CHARLOTTE

There is an on-line tree which gives his confirmation? (I think!)
From: Finland, Communion Books, 1670-1917

Name   Jöhan Gustaf Cederlund
Birth Date   27 heinä 1840 (27 Jul. 1840)
Confirmation Place   Tampereen tuomiokirkkoseurakunta, Hämeenlinnan maakunta, Suomi (Finland)
Residence Place   Finska:, Tammerfors Stads Församling, Suomi (Finland)
Relation to Head   Scholaris
Volume Year Range   1838-1889

This tree suggests his birth was in Stockholm, Sweden

Judith

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Australia / Re: NSW: John CASEY, Born 1830, London
« on: Sunday 04 February 24 03:14 GMT (UK)  »
I'm assuming you have these:

Convict record - lots of info up to 1861
https://stors.tas.gov.au/CON33-1-111$init=CON33-1-111p47Casey, John
John Casey
Employes: Degraves, Charles: 1854, Cahill, Joseph: 1855
Property:Port Arthur Penal Station
Departure date: 1 Sep 1852
Departure port: Plymouth
Ship: Equestrian (3)
Place of origin:
St Pancras, Middlesex
Voyage number: 357, Police number: 26733, Index number: 11286


Conviction January 1, 1859, Tasmania
https://stors.tas.gov.au/SC32-1-7$init=SC32-1-7_0270
In front of a jury at Oatlands
Thomas Glover (per Earl St Vincent) and
John Casey (per  Equestrian (3))
Guilty of assaulting and robbing James Turner
Sentence: to be kept in FS? (Penal Station?) for 4 years.

Are these the same man - we keep getting the ship Equestrian but voyages 1847 and  1852  ???

I'm not seeing his conviction records in England.

Judith


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