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The Common Room / Re: Is he really a "Turner"?
« on: Friday 19 August 11 22:42 BST (UK)  »
'Regards your James - have you discounted emigration to America?  Charles, you say, went over there for a while before returning - could he have been thinking of joining his family, before concluding that he was happier back home?'

Yes, I had thought of that as a possibility, but no luck with available passenger lists or US Federal censuses.  But of course he could have gone there and died between ten-yearly censuses. 

Howard

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The Common Room / Re: Is he really a "Turner"?
« on: Thursday 18 August 11 08:16 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for the info, Tim.
I don't think my ancestor had any connection with the Boyle company, though it is possible, as there was a Boyle, Gill & Co, flax spinners, in Meadow Lane, Holbeck, very close to where he lived in the 1840 - 50s.  James Milsom was a distant cousin, born Wakefield 1794.  He worked as a cropper (shearman) in the woollen trade and moved to Hunslet, Leeds around 1830.  In 1841 he gave his occupation as cloth dresser, and probably worked at the Potterdale mill on Dewsbury Road.  In 1851 he gave his occupation as labourer in a flax mill - this may have been the same mill, as the Potterdale switched from woollens to flax spinning around this time.  He and his whole family (wife and four children) then disappear from the census entirely, with the exception of son Charles, who on the 1841/51 censuses was described as a flax dresser / flax trimmer. 

Charles moved to Selby, about 20 miles from Leeds, and in 1861 was recorded as a foreman in a flax mill there.  He later spent some time in America but returned to Selby and ended his days there as manager of the Portholme Flax Mill, owned by the Foster family.  They were spinners, and also made twine and rope. 

I had wondered if James had gone abroad to work in Europe in the flax industry there, but it is highly unlikely that any company would bring in labourers from overseas, and I have no evidence to suggest that James ever rose above that level in the industry.  And he was certainly not an engineer. 

It is, nevertheless, interesting to learn that companies in Norway and Belgium were drawing upon English expertise in their flax businesses.  Much of the early machinery for the industry was developed in Hunslet by John Marshall and Matthew Murray. 

I would be interested in the link you have to Boyles' flax mills if you could let me have it.  I work on the premise that any information might turn out to be useful!.

Regards
Howard

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The Common Room / Re: Is he really a "Turner"?
« on: Wednesday 17 August 11 17:59 BST (UK)  »
Just come across this rather old thread which took my interest because I have relatives connected with the flax industry in Leeds, Hunslet and Selby, Yorks.  You have probably solved the mystery long ago but if not, for what it's worth, I believe your problem occupation is twiner, ie one who deals with the making of twine.  Twine and rope were both made from hemp, a vegetable material closely related to flax  and a process related to flax spinning.  Did you find out any more about the connection with Norway?
Howard

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Australia / Re: Francis (Francois) Edward RISHWORTH - COMPLETE
« on: Wednesday 15 December 10 09:03 GMT (UK)  »
Hi again Judith

Thought I'd let you know I received the info from the NLA today.  I'm glad that I ordered it that way as the references covered many pages and it would have been a pain for you to transcribe.  My ancestor kept a diary for a year as the wife of a pioneer in N NSW, extracts of which (and more) were in the book, incl a photo.  As you can maybe tell, I'm rather pleased with my discovery! :D

Anyway, thanks once again for offering to look out the book for me.

Best wishes
Paul :)

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Australia / Re: Francis (Francois) Edward RISHWORTH
« on: Saturday 11 December 10 16:25 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Judith
Many thanks for your kind offer to check out the book for me, and for the info on the NLA's copying service.

I have ordered copies to be sent by email within 5 working days so I should have them by the time you visit the library again.  If for any reason the pages ordered turn out to be the wrong ones I'll get back to you. 

Thanks again, and have a great Christmas.

Paul :)

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Australia / Re: Francis (Francois) Edward RISHWORTH
« on: Saturday 11 December 10 11:43 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks Alison.
That's a great site and I've found out lots of info about his auctioneering business through it.  Seems he went bankrupt twice but kept bouncing back.
Paul

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Australia / Re: Francis (Francois) Edward RISHWORTH
« on: Friday 10 December 10 15:57 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks gortonboy.  I've emailed the seller for shipping costs to the UK but no reply as yet.
Paul

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Australia / Re: Francis (Francois) Edward RISHWORTH
« on: Friday 10 December 10 11:13 GMT (UK)  »
Yes, gortonboy, I have seen that tree, but thanks for pointing it out anyway.
Paul

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Australia / Francis (Francois) Edward RISHWORTH
« on: Friday 10 December 10 10:00 GMT (UK)  »
Does anyone have access to the following book:
'Pioneering rural Australia, 1860 -1900' by E M Trudgeon & G A Johnston?  I believe it was a standard secondary school history textbook in the 1980-90s.  I understand the book is freely available from public libraries in Australia, not a practical option for me, living in England.

The book contains references to F E Rishworth (pp 76 & 78).   Francis, born in France of English parents, came to NSW in the early 1850s, possibly after a spell in Victoria, and set up business in Sydney as an auctioneer/valuer.

The book will be in copyright so I would not want anyone to breach that, but I would love to have a rough transcription or summary of the information it contains on the Rishworths. 

Paul

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