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Suffolk Completed Lookup Requests / COMPLETED Mendlesham baptism 1789 - WATCHAM
« on: Wednesday 04 April 12 08:14 BST (UK)  »
I'd be very grateful for details of the baptism of Sutton WATCHAM at Mendlesham on 11 Oct. 1789. The extract from the BTs at FamilySearch.org is rather brief, with no mention of the parents (probably Sutton WATCHAM and Susannah AGER, who married at Mendlesham in 1788) so I can only hope the register is more complete. A date of birth would be most welcome!

David

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Completed Northamptonshire Lookup Requests / COMPLETED Northampton - Billing Road Cemetery (or Naseby?) - WATCHAM burial 1867
« on: Sunday 01 April 12 10:55 BST (UK)  »
Hi Sandy

Thanks very much for responding so fully and swiftly. It's good to know that the grave is in Billing Road Cemetery. Although it's disappointing that no stone seems to have survived, this is not too much of a shock, in view of your previous messages about bomb damage.

David

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Completed Northamptonshire Lookup Requests / COMPLETED Northampton - Billing Road Cemetery (or Naseby?) - WATCHAM burial 1867
« on: Sunday 01 April 12 08:43 BST (UK)  »
I'm trying to locate the grave of Sutton Charles WATCHAM of Northampton (exact address unknown) who died there on 16 Nov. 1867 and may have been buried at Billing Road Cemetery. He has not been found in the Northampton churchyards.

Another possibility is Naseby, where he lived in the 1850s, apparently not using his first name.

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

David

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Norfolk / Re: Nathaniel NEWSTEAD BOYCE & Jane Elizabeth SHEARING
« on: Monday 28 July 08 08:46 BST (UK)  »
Interchangeable names would seem to be another common trait.

If the dates given in the registers of Calthorpe and Cromer are reliable, ruling out the possibility that James NEWSTEAD was adopted by his aunt and re-baptised as Newstead James BOYCE soon after her marriage in 1786, I'd say it's most likely that your line goes back to Elizabeth and not Mary.

Mary's son, christened 4 Dec. 1785 at Calthorpe, appears to have been the 65-year-old James NEWSTEAD (widower, farm labourer) who was living there in 1851 (HO 107/1810 f.290v. p.9) with his daughter "Christiama" CRASKE, a widow aged 40 (both b. Calthorpe). FreeREG has the baptism of "Christian", daughter of James NEWSTEAD and Ann (BURTON) on 6 Jan. 1811 at Calthorpe and also their banns at Runton (where the marriage register is missing) in 1809.

A spinster named Mary NEWSTED married James BARNARD at Calthorpe in 1794 (FreeREG plus http://www.kingslynn-forums.co.uk/norfolkhistory.co.uk/church-records/archdeacon-transcripts/calthorpe-marr.html). Their son Newstead BARNARD was born in 1803 (FreeREG) and still using his names in the same order in 1851 (http://genforum.genealogy.com/englandcountry/norfolk/messages/955.html).

If Elizabeth's sister Mary NEWSTEAD (christened Cromer 1766) never married, perhaps she was the Overstrand resident who was buried at Cromer on 10 June 1831, aged 66 (FreeREG).

It does make you wonder whether the names were changed to protect the innocent or the guilty, or just to confound future generations.

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Norfolk / Re: Nathaniel NEWSTEAD BOYCE & Jane Elizabeth SHEARING
« on: Saturday 26 July 08 08:17 BST (UK)  »
Yes, I suppose Nathaniel and Jane would have welcomed a fresh start, whether or not they were legally free to marry, and could have been using the name NEWSTEAD for some years before making it official.

I thought the marriage of Thomas NEWSTEAD and Elizabeth BOYCE back in 1767 might well be a red herring, but you never know ... maybe the coastal route used by the mariners of Cromer and Yarmouth brought them closer than they look on the map!

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Norfolk / Re: Nathaniel NEWSTEAD BOYCE & Jane Elizabeth SHEARING
« on: Thursday 24 July 08 05:50 BST (UK)  »
Sorry: I meant the parents of Mary Ann, Frances and Sophia BOYCE, assuming that they were Nathaniel Newstead BOYCE (1813-1859) and Mary Ann, née SOUTHGATE (c.1817-?).

In particular, I'd like to know when Mrs Mary Ann BOYCE died and where Nathaniel was in 1851. Even if he was not then living with Jane Elizabeth SHEARING, any addresses given in the birth certificate of William Shearing BOYCE (Jane's son?) would surely be worth checking in the census, just a few weeks earlier.

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Norfolk / Re: Nathaniel NEWSTEAD BOYCE & Jane Elizabeth SHEARING
« on: Wednesday 23 July 08 15:32 BST (UK)  »
Interesting ... and no coinkie-dink ...

The BIVRI (see below) confirms that "Francis" Newstead BOYCE (m. 1859) was a daughter of Nathaniel Newstead BOYCE. She was only "37" in 1881 but 21 in 1861 (at 18 Row 142, Yarmouth: RG 9/1191 f.45v. p.34) and 32 in 1871 (with her husband's parents at 2 Row 87, Yarmouth: RG 10/1784 f.39v. p.36) - making her more than likely to be the 2-year-old you found in 1841 (birth not registered?).

The lack of later records of any suitable Margaret BOYCE suggests that the 1841 enumerator should have written Mary Ann as the name of Frances's mother and sister, who then become apparent in 1851 at Laughing Image Square, Yarmouth (HO 107/1806 f.459 p.60) with Thomas and Mary Ann SOUTHGATE (parents of Mrs Mary Ann BOICE) as well as their daughter Fanny SOUTHGATE (26?) and another granddaughter, Sophia BOICE (6). In 1861, Sophia BOYCE (17) was with her aunt Frances STEVENS (38?) at 27 Well Street, Yarmouth (RG 9/1192 f.192 p.17). Sophia's birth was registered at Yarmouth in 1844 Q1.

So, although Nathaniel Newstead BOYCE is still missing in 1851 (along with Jane Elizabeth SHEARING and now Frances or perhaps Fanny BOYCE too!), I think he was probably the Nathaniel who married Mary Ann SOUTHGATE in 1835 (see below). Had she left him by 1851 or was he simply away at sea while she was visiting her parents? If Jane was the mother of William Shearing BOYCE, they may have had to wait a while before Nathaniel was free to marry again, but the most appropriate Yarmouth death registration seems to be for a Mary BOYCE, as early as 1853 Q3 (age not indexed). Was he recorded as a widower in 1856?

Here are some extracts from the BIVRI (the LDS's British Isles Vital Records Index), which gives more information than the IGI after 1837 and is not blighted by the infamous "Earsdon By North Shields, Northumberland" entries that actually relate to Yarmouth St Nicholas, as do all of these:

Baptisms

1817 Dec 15   Mary Ann SOUTHGATE daur of Thomas & Mary
1820 Dec 11   Sophia SOUTHGATE daur of Thomas & Mary
1823 Apr 5   Frances SOUTHGATE daur of Thomas & Mary

Marriages

1767 Jan 13   Thomas NEWSTEAD m. Elizabeth BOYCE
1788 Apr 13   Simonds Woodcock BOYCE m. Ann DRAPER
1809 Sep 13   James BOYCE m. Jamima WOODCOCK
1819 Oct 19   Nathaniel BOYCE m. Mary GOWEN
1835 Oct 18   Nathaniel BOYCE m. Mary Ann SOUTHGATE
1859 Oct 15   James Adam BULTITUDE, son of James BULTITUDE, m. Francis Newstead BOYCE, daur of Nathaniel Newstead BOYCE [indexed as Frances by GRO]

The BIVRI contains more than 80 of the BOYCE (etc.) marriages at Yarmouth, dating from 1757 to 1899, but there's a significant gap between 1851 and 1857, when Frances SOUTHGATE married Edward Philip STEVENS (1856 Q1, Yarmouth).

Mary Ann BOYCE and her sisters Frances (c.1839) and Sophia (c.1844) were born too late to get their baptisms in the BIVRI. However, Mary Ann found her way into the IGI:

1836 Jan 6   Mary Ann BOYCE daur of Nathaniel & Mary Ann, Great Yarmouth

I hope you will be able to throw more light on the parents someday.

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Norfolk / Re: Nathaniel NEWSTEAD BOYCE & Jane Elizabeth SHEARING
« on: Friday 18 July 08 14:38 BST (UK)  »
Thanks very much for sharing your findings. Since the mysterious Mr BOYCE was none other than Nathaniel NEWSTEAD, I can now stop seeking another husband for Jane!

Any idea where they were in 1851? I couldn't locate either of them. Although they didn't marry until 1856, William Shearing BOYCE, whose birth was registered at Gt Yarmouth in 1851 Q2, looks suspiciously like Jane's 9-year-old son, William S NEWSTED (as he was called in 1861) and presumably the William born on 14 June 1851 and baptized in 1857. Did you get his birth certificate?

You've probably found the baptisms of Samuel GOBBETT (c.1832-1901) and his siblings in the FreeREG database (Geldeston NFK 1828-1836). I'm still looking for those of Daniel (c.1825-1887) and George (1838-c.1927), who were also reputedly born at Geldeston. Their grandparents, Robert GOBBETT and Mary HANSER or HANSEY, were married at Rumburgh SFK in 1786 and moved from there to Gillingham (next to Geldeston) between 1792 and 1795. I'm not sure I can claim them as kin but Rumburgh is very close to my ancestors' villages in northern Suffolk, so we could be related.

David Gobbitt

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