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Suffolk / Re: Emily + Minnie Beatrice WARNER
« on: Thursday 12 October 23 16:17 BST (UK)  »
I haven't seen any certificates or banns but Ancestry's records do include William Frost's attestation papers (made when he enlisted in the army at the age of 23 in 1916) which reveal that he had married spinster Margaret Emily Bloomfield at the Register Office in Colchester on 3 July 1915. His height was 5 feet 6 inches and his weight 124 or 125 pounds.

His wedding with Lilias V. Eves was registered in 1937 (Q3, Colchester).

David

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Suffolk / Re: Emily + Minnie Beatrice WARNER
« on: Thursday 12 October 23 15:08 BST (UK)  »
My experience and intuition were helped by Ancestry's family trees, many of which have useful links to checkable sources. They indicate that Emily's son William Frost (b. 1893 Q2, as found by wilcoxon) died in 1948, leaving widow Lilias Violet née Eves (1908-1999) and at least one daughter of Margaret Emily née Bloomfield (c.1896-1936), his previous wife.

Those trees made it easier to see that William's father, Arthur Henry Fincham (c.1871-1932), was a son of Susannah Fincham née Frost (1844-1909) and that one of her brothers was Emily Warner's first husband, George Albert Frost (b. 1852 Q1 Colchester district). So Emily's second husband was also her nephew, which is how she described William's father when testifying during the case against Arthur's sister, as reported by the EADT on Wednesday 19 Sept. 1894 (Findmypast):

CHILD NEGLECT NEAR COLCHESTER.
At the Colchester Police Court on Tuesday, before the Deputy-Mayor (W. Gurney Benham, Esq.), W. Buck, G. Moore, L. J. Watts, and C. H. T. Marshall, Esqrs., Ellen Fincham, a single woman, of Stanway, was charged on remand with having wilfully neglected William Frost, a child aged 15 months, who was in her custody, on the 20th August and other days, in a manner likely to cause injury to its health.— The Bench had adjourned this case, in order that the evidence of the mother of the child might be taken. — The mother, Emmeline Frost, who is a single woman, said that the father of the child was defendant's brother. The defendant had had charge of the child for some time past; in fact she had had charge of the child continuously since it was two months old. Witness also lived at defendant's house for a time, but left nine weeks ago. While staying at the defendant's house witness attended to it. It was very small, but she did not think it had been half starved. About the middle of August witness was passing Fincham's house, when she was called in. Fincham said to her, "If you don't come in and see your child I shall send it to the Union."—Cross-examined by Mr. Asher Prior, who appeared to prosecute on behalf of the National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children, witness said that the father of the child was her nephew, and was much younger than she was. Witness went to see the child twice a week while it was at Crispin's Court. She also visited it once a week afterwards. The child only had condensed milk, which Fincham bought for it; one tin at 4½d. lasted a week. While witness lived with Fincham for five weeks she did not pay anything for her own board, but she always paid 2s. a week for the child. While she was staying with Fincham she noticed that the child was very small about the legs, and took it to Dr. Maybury. The child was not neglected in her presence; it used to have bread and butter and bread and potatoes in gravy besides the condensed milk. She could not account for the child gaining two pounds in weight when it was removed to the Union. —By the Chairman: The defendant on one occasion when witness was passing the house told her that she ought to be ashamed of herself for not sending more money to keep the child.—The Chairmen said: We are of opinion that in this case the most guilty parties are the father and mother. The law does not enable us to deal with them as we should like, but it is the opinion of the Bench that their conduct has been most brutal and disgraceful. You have been to some extent the victim of their indifference and neglect, but you took upon yourself the responsibility of looking after this child, and their brutality is no legal excuse for your having neglected it. At the same time we are going to deal leniently with you, and bind you over under the First Offenders Act to come up for judgment when called upon.—The costs were remitted as against the Society.


The Union was presumably the Lexden and Winstree Union Workhouse at Stanway or the children's home at Stanway Villa (https://www.workhouses.org.uk/Lexden/). The location of Crispin's Court is unclear to me.

David

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Suffolk / Re: EMILY + MINNIE BEATRICE WARNER
« on: Wednesday 11 October 23 13:47 BST (UK)  »
Hi Angie

Emily Warner appears to have married George Albert Frost in 1890 (Q4, Colchester, Essex). His death may have been registered with no middle name very soon afterwards (1890, Q4, Colchester: George Frost, 37).

In 1891 widow Emily Frost (age "30", b. Assington) was in service with the family of farmer Frank Folkard at Copford, near Colchester.

Emily Frost married Arthur Henry Fincham in 1895 (Q4, Lexden, Essex). They were living at Lexden in 1901 and 1911 with William Frost, born c.1894 in Halesworth, Suffolk.

In 1894 the National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children had accused Arthur's sister of neglecting his son William. She was excused as a first offender, Colchester Police Court primarily blaming the parents although seemingly unable to prosecute them:

NEGLECTING A CHILD: STRONG WORDS FROM THE BENCH.—Ellen Fincham, a single woman, of Stanway, was charged with having wilfully neglected William Frost, a child in her custody, aged 15 months.—The mother, Emmeline Frost, a single woman, said the father of the child was defendant's brother.—After the bench had heard evidence of the neglect, the chairman said : We are of opinion that in this case the most guilty parties are the father and mother. The law does not enable us to deal with them as we should like, but their conduct has been most brutal and disgraceful. You (the prisoner) have been to some extent the victim of their indifference and neglect, but you took upon yourself the responsibility of looking after this child, and their brutality is no legal excuse for your having neglected it. At the same time we are going to deal leniently with you, and bind you over under the First Offenders Act to come up for judgment when called upon. — The costs were remitted as against the N.S.P.C.C., who prosecuted.
(Essex County Chronicle, 21 Sept. 1894, page 2, column 5; probably based on a fuller report in the East Anglian Daily Times, 19 Sept., p. 5, c. 3)

Emily aged remarkably slowly. Having been 24 in 1881 (employed at Siam Hall, Newton, Suffolk, with farmer Harry Thomas Mudd), she was 40 in 1901, 45 in 1911 and 70 in 1927 (burial at Lexden).

David

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Suffolk / Re: What happened to William Hartridge b. 1807 Woodbridge (marriage or death)
« on: Saturday 02 September 23 19:55 BST (UK)  »
Hi Francis

Baptisms at Woodbridge show that William Hartridge senior was a carpenter (1807-1810) or cabinet maker (1814-1821).

At 3B Spencer Street, Shoreditch, Middlesex, in 1851 (HO 107/1533 folio 218 verso, page 19, schedule 75) Woodbridge-born cabinet maker William (Hartnidge at Ancestry) gave his age as 40, perhaps reducing the age-gap between him and his wife, Sarah (30, born in Marylebone).

In 1861 they were at Queens Place, Shoreditch (RG 9/241 f. 7 v. p. 8 s. 37), William being 49 and Sarah 38 (Harbridge at Ancestry).

In 1871 cabinet maker William Heartridge (62) and his wife Sarah (48), both from Shoreditch, were at 45 Orange Street, Bethnal Green (RG 10/493 f. 33 p. 21 s. 110) .

In 1881 a 74-year-old widowed cabinet maker named William Pastridge (transcribed as Partride at both Ancestry and Findmypast), born in Suffolk c.1807, was lodging with gardener Thomas Reynolds at 13 Boston Terrace, Longfellow Road, Walthamstow, Essex (RG 11/1730 f. 11 v. p. 16 s. 80).

Destitution had probably caused him to spend nearly a year in Shoreditch Workhouse from August 1879, when he was recorded as a married bedstead maker, and another few days in December 1880, when he was initially registered as William Hartrage, a married cabinet maker (Ancestry: London, England, Workhouse Admission and Discharge Records, 1764-1921).

Unfortunately, his marriage seems to be as elusive as his location in 1841, but at least two potentially relevant deaths were registered in Bethnal Green: William Hartridge aged 72 in 1884 Q2 and Sarah Hartridge aged 80 in 1898 Q1.

David

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Suffolk Lookup Requests / Re: William Fingay, Wortham, c.1719 - 1745?
« on: Thursday 17 August 23 21:39 BST (UK)  »
Hi Windy

The will of Ipswich hair merchant William TINGEY (PCC 1719) can be downloaded free of charge from TNA.

The location of his windmill is not stated. It was left to his "Loving Freind" (the sole executrix and main legatee) Ann HEAD of Ipswich for her lifetime and then to his grandson William TINGEY, son of deceased baker William TINGEY of "Laystoot" [probably buried at Lowestoft in 1713]. The  witnesses were John BUFFETT Junior, Bridgett BUFFETT and John ELDRED.

David

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Suffolk / Re: Peter (Petrus) Smyth & Thomas Smyth (Woodbridge)
« on: Wednesday 07 June 23 14:52 BST (UK)  »
Windy

The wills of both Peter Smith (1708) and Thomas Smith (1742) of Woodbridge can be downloaded from Suffolk Archives.

David

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Suffolk / Re: Peck & Gents
« on: Thursday 11 May 23 12:28 BST (UK)  »
Will of Robert Gent, farmer died 1846 available at -
https://nrocatalogue.norfolk.gov.uk/index.php/gent-robert-farmer-of-north-cove-suffolk

Robert Gent's will, made in February 1845, can be accessed free of charge through FamilySearch, starting with image 462 (folio 432) at https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C398-DS8G-C?i=461&cat=278818

It provides for Hannah Peck "now living with me" (folio 433) and her six children: Mary Ann Hannah Peck, Hannah Sophia Peck, Kate Peck, George Peck, William Peck and James Peck (folio 433 verso). The executors were his brother Richard Gent of Beccles and Thomas Hawes Patrick of North Cove, a painter.

David

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Suffolk / Re: James SMYTH
« on: Wednesday 08 February 23 15:21 GMT (UK)  »
Suffolk Archives' settlement examination (FC168/G/4/2/34) of Henry SMYTH from Farnham at Orford in 1817 may reveal details of his family.

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Suffolk / Re: James SMYTH
« on: Wednesday 08 February 23 15:03 GMT (UK)  »
The Genealogist's Non-Conformist and Non-Parochial BMDs would be easier to search with a subscription but James is unlikely to be found there if he was a son of Henry SMITH and Mary LARTER. Following their marriage at Farnham in 1806 they appear to have had children christened in at least four Anglican parishes:

1807 William at Farnham
1809 Henry at Butley
1815-1824 John, George, Robert & Mary Ann at Orford
1827-1833 Daniel, Luke & Hannah at Leiston

Was the family in Orford by 1812, as James claimed? This was the era of the Napoleonic and North American wars but there is no mention of any military service in the obituary of Henry SMYTH (1784-1863) in the Halesworth Times (24 Nov. 1863, p. 4). He had reportedly been employed at Garretts' Leiston Works for 40 years when he fell ill there on his 79th birthday, a few days before his death.

David

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