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Thanks everybody. The image you posted Wendi, is much clearer than the one I have, so that's a great help. I can see where 'Villas' and 'Cross' is coming from.

Many Thanks, Ceci

That is unlucky! Hope you manage to find them. I too have lots of London ancestors and they can be very difficult to sort out. I have got stuck with multiple Thomas & Marys in several of my family lines.

I have my William Moon and Jane Shipman who I suspect is young William's mother in the 1841 census in Rose Alley, Holborn, but young William is missing. He is a bit of a mystery. In the 1851 census William senior is remarried, but his new wife is not old enough to be young William's mother. I am hoping to gather enough evidence to either prove that the 17 year old William Moon in 1851 census is actually William Shipman, illegitimate son of Jane Shipman, or to eliminate him. I don't think the William & Eliza with 6 year old William are mine, but just in case, whereabouts were they?

Regards Ceci

Please could someone help me find William Robert Shipman, born about 1835 in Hull in the 1861 & 1871 census. I think he was probably in London.

I think I have him in 1881 at 27 Drummond Crescent, London, a cabman, married to Jane who was age 32.

In 1851, I think he may be down as William Moon born in Hull about 1834. I suspect that the head of household, another William Moon was his stepfather, not his father as was recorded. The occupation for both of them was paper bag maker and they were at French Horn Yard in St Andrews, Holborn.

Many thanks
Ceci

Thank you for your replies. I like that theory and it supports my own gut feeling that it was probably the same couple marrying twice. I will look for a marriage between Jane Shipman and a Thompson, so fingers crossed.

As for the question about Printer/paper bag maker, William’s occupation was paper bag maker on all the census records from 1851-1881 and his marriage records for 1847 and 1851 are the only official documents I have showing him as a printer. This is a the top of an accounts sheet showing the business address of his son Edmund, and my Grandfather wrote some notes on it which included:-

‘Edmund Moon was the elder brother of my father and they were in business together as E&H Moon. My father’s Christian name: Henry. Their father was a printer, and some of the bags used to be printed, but E Moon did not print them himself but gave them to a firm to be done.’

He goes on to say how kind Edmund & his wife were to him after his father died and that they virtually adopted him.

Many thanks for your help,
Ceci

I thought the first name might be Zaccheus?

Ceci