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The Common Room / Re: 1864 death & burial, dates confusion, suggestions for reasons welcome
« on: Monday 16 April 18 15:49 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: stanmapstone on Monday 16 April 18 11:44 BST (UK)
If a anyone carried out a burial for which the Certificate ( that the Death has been duly registered) had not been made and delivered, as the 1836 and 1874 acts required, either by the Registrar or Coroner, they had to give notice  to the Registrar within Seven Days,  if they did not they were liable to a fine not exceeding ten Pounds.

Stan

If Jane was buried on 24th and the death registered on 30th - the vicar/husband have just managed to register within the seven days, thus avoiding a fine. Could the burial date have been altered to arrive at this result - perhaps with advice from the registrar?



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Australia / Re: Ancestry vs FindMyPast - thoughts please
« on: Tuesday 03 April 18 11:33 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: macwil on Tuesday 03 April 18 08:39 BST (UK)

Is this offer still available? Where can I find it?



I just logged on (I've had an account since when it was pay per transaction, but never subscribed) and when I went to buy a monthly subscription it popped up the option, 1st month half price - I was intending to pay the full amount. 50% converted to $12 AUS  so not too bad.

Can only suggest you try it.

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Australia / Re: Ancestry vs FindMyPast - thoughts please
« on: Tuesday 03 April 18 03:07 BST (UK)  »
I've subscribed to ancestry for years but recently wanted some parish records that are only on FindMyPast - so I took a month's subscription (offered at half price), cancelled the auto renewal immediately - and am now working to get through as much as possible  :) in this month.

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Australia / Re: Kitty Harry born Kapunda South Australia 1864
« on: Tuesday 03 April 18 03:00 BST (UK)  »
Children and/or informant on death certificate may not know a woman's maiden name.

Looking for Mary Minear's baptism in Cornwall, if I have the right person, it seems her surname came from her mother. The marriage certificate does not have a father's name. Perhaps she told family that her father's name was Davey?
It may be that Mary's mother Jane married James Werry. They have a Mary Werry aged 5 living with them on the 1841 Census. Could Werry/Davey be confused?
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/

Details of the marriage of Kitty from SA index (you mentioned only having the newspaper item)
William Henry TRELOAR married Kitty HARRY 24 Sep 1885
Groom 26, single, father John Jenkins Treloar, Bride 21, single father William Henry Harry
Married at the Res of Mr Harry Hawker District Fro
Book/Page 144/1195

With 3 other little ones, new babe and new country to worry about, seems quite likely that Kitty's birth was not registered.

50
Australia / Re: John Johnston SMH lookup.Completed.
« on: Tuesday 03 April 18 02:11 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Jamjar on Monday 02 April 18 05:20 BST (UK)
The paper for Friday 14 - not Saturday 14 - is in fact on google archives. What is missing is page 40, which has BDM.

Jamjar

It is really annoying how you have to search the following day when the BDMs are on the last page of the paper on google. Thus said, it is available for free, so I try not to complain  :)

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Australia / Re: John Jophnston SMH lookup.
« on: Sunday 01 April 18 07:00 BST (UK)  »
"Johnston John October 13, 1960 of Greenwich, beloved husband of Ann & loved father of Alan Neil (deceased) and Nola (Mrs Ruby). See Saturday's Herald for funeral Notice"

I've left the funeral notice from the following day so you can try looking for yourself.

In NSW you can access via the state library. If you live anywhere else in Australia you can access via the National library of Australia

https://www.nla.gov.au/app/eresources/item/3101

Very easy to become an online member of either.
https://www.nla.gov.au/getalibrarycard/

You can also try the google news archives - but they are inclined to have every day except Saturdays for most of the SMH
https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=lL5f5cZgq8MC


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Australia / Re: Victorian Place Names
« on: Monday 19 March 18 06:53 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks all - especially Essie for the possibles. I had looked at a number of sites without joy.
I'll keep the new ones for next time.

I wondered about Pentridge but it seems to be the name of the jail only - I don't think she was in prison for the birth - Sure hope not as  this was her 5th or 6th child.


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Australia / Victorian Place Names
« on: Monday 19 March 18 05:46 GMT (UK)  »
Looking for an interpretation of these place names from Victorian birth records

1857 Hopkins RR
1859 Bollingbrk
1862 Pent
1864 Boli  (same as Bollingbrk?)

thanks

54
Australia / Re: Landells and Netzler - Queensland
« on: Thursday 25 January 18 13:29 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: westernwombat on Thursday 25 January 18 00:21 GMT (UK)
I am very inexperienced at this..
Nice to know that those FS records are reliable. I have taken the "..herthe" as the transcriber's inability to decipher the handwriting - which we could guess as Henrietta hence Etta (familiar name).
My intuition is that a birth record would be more likely to have the parents' names correct, than a death record - so I would be more inclined to accept Etta than Phoebe as mother of Oscar, Isabella.

You're doing fine - everyone has to learn. Tracing records yourself is a great teaching experience. When you are looking at records online just remember that "family trees"  are only as good as the research done by the person who owns the tree - whereas church and civil (government) records can usually be relied on.

Your surmise that a birth record would have the correct parents cf. the death record is correct.
My only exception to taking a birth/marriage record over a death record is some of my ancestors  seemed to lie quite often about their age, on their marriage records & on the birth records of their children  :D . You may also find in earlier times that children born outside of marriage may invent a father for their marriage certificate.




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